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They do not need, or want, out and out physical support, but solidarity is important, even in some small way. A simple statement like;
Would do wonders, it would let the people know, in a subtle way, that we stand with them, yet is not incredibly offensive to the current regime. Obama is voting "present" once again. Only this time the world is watching.
I'm not sure I agree.
Sometimes, discretion is the better part of valor.
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Hey Favre, YOU SUCK!!!
The Boston Herald - It ain't toilet paper, but it'll do the job.
They do not need, or want, out and out physical support, but solidarity is important, even in some small way. A simple statement like;
Would do wonders, it would let the people know, in a subtle way, that we stand with them, yet is not incredibly offensive to the current regime. Obama is voting "present" once again. Only this time the world is watching.
Make a "statement"????? Isn't that what the UN is consistently derided for doing. Obama already did his part with the Cairo speech - - he gave the carrot to the youth of Iran and they are running with it (just like the youth of Lebanon did last week in stunning Hizballah with a huge parliamentary election shocker.
Statements after the fact mean nothing. The genie has already left the bottle over the weekend. Ahmedinejad won't be able to put it back again. Obama should walk softly and carry a big stick. The Obama Administration should publicly sit this out while covertly fanning the flames. Burn baby burn.
We've had 8 years of big, dumb and loud. Now let's hope we have sly, silent and lethal.
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"They (Patriots) may be the greatest team ever" - Chris Mortenson, January 18, 2005 on espn.com
Make a "statement"????? Isn't that what the UN is consistently derided for doing. Obama already did his part with the Cairo speech - - he gave the carrot to the youth of Iran and they are running with it (just like the youth of Lebanon did last week in stunning Hizballah with a huge parliamentary election shocker.
Statements after the fact mean nothing. The genie has already left the bottle over the weekend. Ahmedinejad won't be able to put it back again. Obama should walk softly and carry a big stick. The Obama Administration should publicly sit this out while covertly fanning the flames. Burn baby burn.
We've had 8 years of big, dumb and loud. Now let's hope we have sly, silent and lethal.
I agree.
And,Iran, like it or not, is a soverign nation.
It's not our job to police their elections.
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Vince Wilfork: A Force Of Nature
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The crowd — many wearing the trademark green color of Mousavi's campaign — was more than five miles (nine kilometers) long, and based on previous demonstrations in the square and surrounding streets, its size was estimated to be in the hundreds of thousands.
From Yahoo news.
Wow, that really puts you teabaggers to shame.
We know change has come to America. Lets all hope Iran's got themselves an Obama in this guy.
I'll keep my fingers crossed that this is for real and won't just fizzle out.
In the short-term it very well may. But the genie is out of the bottle on Ahmedinejad. 100,000 in the streets of Tehran (and who knows how many more in the other cities that journalists can't visit).
It took 5 years of small scale, but growing riots to topple the Shah. This may not take 5 years.
The REAL story, however, is how the ACTUAL power (the mullahs) play this. At first they strongly shilled for the election results, but are beginning to back down a bit and publicly are ordering an "investigation" into it. Let's see if they get scared and throw Ahmedinejad under the bus.
This could get fun.
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"They (Patriots) may be the greatest team ever" - Chris Mortenson, January 18, 2005 on espn.com
We know change has come to America. Lets all hope Iran's got themselves an Obama in this guy.
They don't.
Mousavi is no pro-West reformer. He's just less bad than Ahmadinejad. Don't forget, this guy was in a place of power there before and he was no friend of the West.
The best we can hope for is that the mullahs mishandle the situation so badly that the youth of Iran (and the women) turn on them.
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"They (Patriots) may be the greatest team ever" - Chris Mortenson, January 18, 2005 on espn.com
Make a "statement"????? Isn't that what the UN is consistently derided for doing. Obama already did his part with the Cairo speech - - he gave the carrot to the youth of Iran and they are running with it (just like the youth of Lebanon did last week in stunning Hizballah with a huge parliamentary election shocker.
Statements after the fact mean nothing. The genie has already left the bottle over the weekend. Ahmedinejad won't be able to put it back again. Obama should walk softly and carry a big stick. The Obama Administration should publicly sit this out while covertly fanning the flames. Burn baby burn.
We've had 8 years of big, dumb and loud. Now let's hope we have sly, silent and lethal.
BULL*****. come on, I know you are not that dumb?
The Cario speech, was PART of it, but if you don't think the last eight years have had any bearing on what is happening over there right now, you are insane. It is no mistake that we happen to be standing resolutely on each of Iran's borders right now. There has been tons of mistakes along the way, but 8 years of pounding the lectern about democracy and standing firm in attempting to give the people the right to self-determination (which Iraqis are not trying to take advantage of.
What is the revolution about? About repression of the peoples right to self-determination. They were actually looking, and apparently voted, in a much more MODERATE person.
This is many years in the making and yes, Obama is part of it, but so is Bush to a certain extent. We can debate that all day long. But get a clue.
This is most definitely a "Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall!" moment for Obama.
Re: Smart of US to Allow Iran to Self-Implode
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