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Old 06-11-2009, 04:41 PM   #21
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She only graduated 2nd in her class.

Must've been a black guy or an asian who finished 1st because of affirmative action....
It wouldn't surprise me at all.
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Old 06-11-2009, 05:45 PM   #22
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Funny how she was nominated by both Bush 1 and Clinton and was confirmed. Now the RT. is whining about her and trying their best to discredit her. Where was all the contempt when she was nominated by GB 1.
The Bush's are all morons aren't they.
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Old 06-11-2009, 05:54 PM   #23
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She wasn't nominated for the Supreme Court before. She gets more attention now. What was said before is irrelevant. She is a racist. She is a sexist. Should a racist, sexist be eligible for the Supreme Court? The answer is clearly no.
She's neither a racist nor a sexist. Those who call her racist are almost always white men (with a sprinkling of women). Those who defend her come from every race, gender, etc. She said nothign racist or sexist. This comment of hers:

“I would hope that a wise Latina woman with the richness of her experiences would more often than not reach a better conclusion than a white male who hasn't lived that life. Let us not forget that wise men like Oliver Wendell Holmes and Justice Cardozo voted on cases which upheld both sex and race discrimination in our society. Until 1972, no Supreme Court case ever upheld the claim of a woman in a gender discrimination case. I, like Professor Carter, believe that we should not be so myopic as to believe that others of different experiences or backgrounds are incapable of understanding the values and needs of people from a different group."

Her point of course was that white men took an awfully long time to reach some common sense decisions when it comes to minorities and women. But, also, conveniently, conservatives seem to generally leave out the last part of her sentence -- "who hasn't lived that life." That's disingenuous at best. At any rate, frankly a bunch of white men calling her a racist or sexist is not going to be meaningful to a broad audience.
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The Bush's are all morons aren't they.
I think you should think about what i wrote Harry. No where did i trash Bush 1. All i said was it was ok when he nominated her, but now its not. Straighten out and fly right.
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She only graduated 2nd in her class.

Must've been a black guy or an asian who finished 1st because of affirmative action....
Yea right, Yale maybe, but it wasn't Oral Roberts!
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A couple of points here.

Sotomayor was appointed by Bush I, but she wasn't a Bush I pick. She was a Moynihan pick. The way it worked IIRC, was there were (my numbers may be off, but I think this is correct) 7 judges to be appointed, and the dems and pubs agreed to pick 5 (by the pubs) and 2 (by the dems). Sotomayor was one of the Dem picks that Bush I agreed to appoint. So while she was indeed appointed by Bush, she was not a Bush choice.

Sotomayor should be given an up or down vote on her merrits. If she is qualified (I think she is), then she should be appointed. The process is not supposed to be political. Only procedural. While I personally have some issues with the "empathy" ideology, and do think her "latina" comments need to be explained, her qualifications seem perfectly appropriate for the job. I think she'll make it, as she probably should.

Remember, Obama voted against Alito and Roberts. On what grounds I wonder? Each was certainly qualified, and I can only suspect that Obama voted against them because he didn't like their ideology. That is not how it's supposed to work. Of course, he's now expecting everyone else to do what he didn't do, when he was a senator, and that's follow the rules. Politics as usual.
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I think you should think about what i wrote Harry. No where did i trash Bush 1. All i said was it was ok when he nominated her, but now its not. Straighten out and fly right.
Sorry, what I meant was "the bush's are considered morons by the left wing therefore this women was nominated by a moron, do we really want a women on the SC who the moronic bush seemed to admire, morons usually admire other morons"
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Sotomayor should be given an up or down vote on her merits. If she is qualified (I think she is), then she should be appointed. The process is not supposed to be political. Only procedural. While I personally have some issues with the "empathy" ideology, and do think her "latina" comments need to be explained, her qualifications seem perfectly appropriate for the job. I think she'll make it, as she probably should.
I don't think she should. She is supposed to uphold the law. The Civil Rights Act is part of that. Said Civil Rights Act makes frequent comments on it being illegal to show "discrimination on the ground of race, color, or national origin". It's clear to me that she will violate this as a judge.
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I don't think she should. She is supposed to uphold the law. The Civil Rights Act is part of that. Said Civil Rights Act makes frequent comments on it being illegal to show "discrimination on the ground of race, color, or national origin". It's clear to me that she will violate this as a judge.
We'll figure all that out during the hearings. From where I'm standing though, and at this point in time, her qualifications are worthy. She should explain herself, her decisions, ideology, etc, and then people can decide. Remember, to the winner goes the spoils, and since Obama is the winner, he gets to pick the judges. The senate is not supposed to vote for, or against her because of politics. Only her merrits as a judge. I'm not going to say she shouldn't be on there, because I disagree with her, cuz you're not supposed to do it that way.
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She's neither a racist nor a sexist.
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Those who call her racist are almost always white men (with a sprinkling of women). Those who defend her come from every race, gender, etc.
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“I would hope that a wise Latina woman with the richness of her experiences would more often than not reach a better conclusion than a white male
And the other 6 times she said it? But, she was taken out of context.
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