Holy Diver

The narrative put forth by the Bush administration, mostly by Dick Cheney as of late, was that EITs were necessary to withdraw information from those with suspected close ties to Bin Laden and those who wished to cause us harm. Even going to the lenths as to cite CIA documents that would prove the thwarting of said threats.

Okay.

Something dawned on me last night, and I'm kinda kicking myslef today for not thinking of this.

If any and all information was crucial to saving american lives in a post 9-11 era....

why did our administration allow this to happen?

Bin Ladens allowed out of U.S. after 9-11

seems they might have SOME info that we could use, right?

seems like we would do anything in our power to get that info, to save american lives....right?

The simple fact that while every amercan was grounded for days....the family of OBL was allowed to leave our country, after the horrors of that day. The juststification of EIDs by the Bush administration is a LIE.

They let the Bin Laden's leave.....




as the sex pistols said "Its a swindle!"

tanked_as_usual

not as bad as clinton having OBL served up on a platter and declining.......

OBL had been ostracized from his family...........there would be just as much value in torturing you.......which is zero

Patriot_in_NY

Yeah, but it might be fun just the same.

Holy Diver

first of all, there is no value in torture.

secondly.....these people who stooped to the tactic to "keep you safe" let the closest link to bin laden leave the country, when all other citizens were grounded. They just zoomed out of here on 9-12....without a single question asked.

It proves their arguement about keeping us safe is BS, and you apparently love the taste.

tanked_as_usual

care to offer up any other opinions?

the government was convinced they had nothing to offer..........other than genetic similarity

naaahhhh.........you're just obsessed with the notion

Holy Diver

well according to all interrogators...

here is what General Ricardo Sanchez says about it:

“during my time in Iraq there was not one instance of actionable intelligence that came out of these interrogation techniques.”

a tortured confession can't be used in a court because it ilicits false confessions. So...our legals system says it doesn't work.

The Army Field manual



seems to me the only people who claim it 'works' are Dick Cheney and the remaining neocons.


and....


REALLY! they decided that no Bin Laden =had any useful info in a matter of HOURS after 9-11?



REALLY!!!!!???????




so they just let them go.......



and tortured other future detainees?






what color is the sky in your world, Tanked?

Harry Boy

Bush did what a good liberal would , he did the "humane thing" can you imagine what the American people would have done if they knew Bin Ladens family was in the USA when 9/11 happened, they would have been found and killed.

Bush acted like Jimmy Carter on that one.

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stevedogc

Well here is a link to a story that has a quote from an ex CIA agent that said waterboarding does in fact work and saved lives.

Ex-CIA agent: Waterboarding 'saved lives' - CNN.com



You do realize that you are comparing waterboarding 3 high memebers of Al Qaeda, you call them "future detainees" to members of Bin Ladens family who had absolutely no knowldge of his location and have had no contact with OBL for many, many years if at all. If you cant see the differences in those then you are hopeless.

maverick4

Cheney's version of torture "working" was that under torture he got a few tortured people to admit there was a link between 9-11 and Iraq (which is bogus).

Holy Diver

I think that we (sane) people understand the torture timeline, and what 'confessions' they were looking to get ( liks between Iraq, and Bin Laden )

you can tell the difference between the confused, and the lucid by how often the confused envoke 9-11 in the torturing excuses.

the entire argument is BROKEN by the fact that we let these family members simply fly away. The fact that at each turn the White House attempted to block an investigation inot 9-11, the fact that Bush and Cheney wouldn't discuss the greatest crime in our nation's history under oath in an open session.

Those on this board who STILL defend the release of 4 flights with well over 140 people after 9-11. Then turn around and say that we needed to torture (waterboard etc) detainees to find ourt about future attacks are dillusional at best.

Those on this board with clarity understand that torture has NOTHING TO DO WITH 9-11, and has everything to do with justification of the Iraqi invasion.