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Holy Diver · 06-01-2009, 05:08 PM

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Originally Posted by stevedogc

Well here is a link to a story that has a quote from an ex CIA agent that said waterboarding does in fact work and saved lives.

Ex-CIA agent: Waterboarding 'saved lives' - CNN.com

You do realize that you are comparing waterboarding 3 high memebers of Al Qaeda, you call them "future detainees" to members of Bin Ladens family who had absolutely no knowldge of his location and have had no contact with OBL for many, many years if at all. If you cant see the differences in those then you are hopeless.

Coming in From the Cold: CIA Spy Calls Waterboarding Necessary But Torture - ABC News

he also calls the technique "Torture"

and you might wanny stop with the cherry picking....the story has been updated:

UPDATE: U.S. Government documents released in April 2009 indicate that Kiriakou's account that Abu Zubaydah broke after only one water boarding session was incorrect. According to a footnote in newly released, previously classified "Top Secret" memos, the CIA used the water board "at least 83 times during August 2002 in the interrogation of Zubaydah."

Following the release of the documents, Kiriakou said: "When I spoke to ABC News in December 2007 I was aware of Abu Zubaydah being water boarded on one occasion. It was after this one occasion that he revealed information related to a planned terrorist attack. As I said in the original interview, my information was second-hand. I never participated in the use of enhanced techniques on Abu Zubaydah or on any other prisoner, nor did I witness the use of such techniques."

are we clear?

can you see yet?

***tanked_as_usual*** · 06-03-2009, 05:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Holy Diver

Coming in From the Cold: CIA Spy Calls Waterboarding Necessary But Torture - ABC News

he also calls the technique "Torture"

and you might wanny stop with the cherry picking....the story has been updated:

UPDATE: U.S. Government documents released in April 2009 indicate that Kiriakou's account that Abu Zubaydah broke after only one water boarding session was incorrect. According to a footnote in newly released, previously classified "Top Secret" memos, the CIA used the water board "at least 83 times during August 2002 in the interrogation of Zubaydah."

Following the release of the documents, Kiriakou said: "When I spoke to ABC News in December 2007 I was aware of Abu Zubaydah being water boarded on one occasion. It was after this one occasion that he revealed information related to a planned terrorist attack. As I said in the original interview, my information was second-hand. I never participated in the use of enhanced techniques on Abu Zubaydah or on any other prisoner, nor did I witness the use of such techniques."

are we clear?

can you see yet?

perfectly...........it is torture.........so what?

Poll: US divided over torture, closing Guantanamo - Yahoo! News

more are in favor of it anyway...........

sdaniels7114 · 06-03-2009, 05:53 AM

It is creepy how the Bush administration made such heavy and controversial use of the material witness provisions in our laws yet chose to let these potential material witnesses leave while the rest of us were grounded.

***tanked_as_usual*** · 06-03-2009, 07:53 AM

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Originally Posted by sdaniels7114

It is creepy how the Bush administration made such heavy and controversial use of the material witness provisions in our laws yet chose to let these potential material witnesses leave while the rest of us were grounded.

The Bin Laden flights

At least 13 relatives of Osama bin Laden, accompanied by bodyguards and associates, left the United States on a chartered flight eight days after the Sept. 11, 2001 terrorist attacks, according to a passenger manifest released on July 21, 2004.[17] The passenger list was made public by Sen. Frank Lautenberg (D-NJ), who obtained the manifest from officials at Boston's Logan International Airport. None of the flights, domestic or international, took place before the reopening of national airspace on the morning of Sept. 13 and the 9/11 Commission found ""no evidence of a political intervention". [18]

bin Laden family - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia