patsfan13

1 Year ago...NO at the time Al Queda didn't know what techniques we were/weren't using now that Obama has decided to release the information about what we used to do and inform the people who want to kill us what we won't do,

nothing that would damage our national security would be lost by releasing what information we did/didn't obtain.


As pointed out above Obama already did the damage to try to score some cheap political points. What's done is done.


You guys are pretty naive/stupid.

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Patriot_in_NY

Faux outrage; Exhibit number one

Your priceless grandstanding aside

Most people I know readily admit that waterboarding is a form of torture. I readily admitted that in last post. I think it's a MILD form of torture. Then again, I would also consider jamming 60 hots dogs in my mouth torture too, despite the fact that if I did it, I would set some kind of record

I think that reasonable arguments can be made that waterboarding falls into acceptable forms of "coerced interrogation" in extreme circumstances. You have people with valuable information and they need to be "convinced" to give it up sometimes or American lives hang in the balance. It's a nebulous & intractable issue that we, as armchair QB's, fortunately don't have to confront, but those with the ultimate responsibility do.

Bush choose his way, and all of us armchair generals (like Diver) hand-wring and get all in a tither about it, while at the same time pretend they would never, nor would their chosen one.

Of course Obama, now faces that same problem........ convenient how all of you ignore how he "cuts the Gordian knot". To be fair, this program of "extraordinary rendition" was started by Bush. But Obama seems to be accelerating it. Just why is it that we are starting to "outsource" our intelligence gathering capacities to foreign governments like Pakistan & Libyan

Methinks their interrogators are a little less "encumbered" then our own and thus the "one" is more then happy to let them take the lead in detention and interrogating mid-level targets. I'm equally sure he less then troubled when those sources come back and share that "gathered intelligence" with us.

Keep that in mind the next time you watch "the One" wax-poetic about how we Americans are above those methods........ if you can keep your hands of your genitals long enough that is.

Truth is: It's still going on, we just found our own little Trawnikis to take that unpleasant little task off our plates for us.

sdaniels7114

I guess if we're going on the assumption that Nancy Pelosi is more culpable for knowing about Bush's torturing than Bush is for doing it, it makes sense to say that us capturing people in Afghanistan and sending them to Chad or some other place that'll stick bamboo shoots up their fingernails is the same as our intelligence services telling Pakistan that they have terrorists in their country.

Bit of a stretch though, if you ask me.

Holy Diver

Then you support illegal inhumane treatments of humans in the name of the US governmet, your flag, and your freedom. you are a savage, and support terrorism.


In your mind is is illegal, and also okay. I assume its cool with you if the governemnt accuses one of your family members of terrorism, and tortures them.

You understand that by supporting such an activity could subject you to the patriot act and mark you as a terrorist? Right? what other illegal techniques do you support? Rape, murder, kidnapping, bombings, hijackings? you knnow all those things are also considered ILLEGAL?


keep on with your support of an administration with a history of distorting the facts and outright lies! Great choice.

insert roll-eyes emotocon here.

patsfan13

THe Difference being that Pelosi is a hypocrite about interrogating Al Queda leaders to save American lives, Bush and Cheney acknowledge what they did and don't apologize.

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Patriot_in_NY

Hyperbole in the extreme......

Wipe your chin boyo, I do believe that you've got a little spittle showing

maverick4

Not surprising you'd post that. It's probably also the same proportion of brainwashed sheep who were hardcore Nazis in Germany and were conditioned to truly believe they were in the right... like you. People ask how in history groups of people were able to condone monstrous things, and you're a good case study in how it can be done.

maverick4

Neo-cons are America's Taliban. Neocons are primitive, barbaric group who would probably have enjoyed life more in the Dark Ages than in the 21st century.

PatsWSB47

Lighten up. It's hard to take you seriously with those kinds of rants. Cripes we waterboarded 3 hardened, trained terrorists to get information about probable immanent attacks. So now we're Taliban? Why don't you petition the president to give up his power to order enhanced interrogations? He's left that on the table for a reason, don’t you think?

It should be rare, not used for revenge or a sicko's sadistic desires. If there is time then don't use them but if a threat is immanent and you have a captive that very likely has the knowledge then opt on the side of using them as a last resort to save lives. I agree with Harry on his point that maybe three thousand lives are saved....plus one because the terrorist is still alive.

DarrylS

The issue becomes that as a nation and with elected leaders, who take an oath to uphold the constitution, it was sanctioned, sometimes thing happen to achieve a goal.. this rendition and subsequent torture, that is sanctioned and documented is a different thing all together.. that is where the outrage comes from.

As far as Mancow goes, there is a whole bunch of differences:

He knew it was coming
He knew the language
He was not terrorized prior to the event
He knew where he was sleeping that night
He knew he could stop it with his "mercy" cow
He knew what to expect...on and on

There is a big difference, so call it mild torture if you want. torture is not qualified by degrees, have never seen it differentiated as such.

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