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PatsFanInVa · 05-23-2009, 12:25 PM

What the right wing fringe thinks is appropriate is not shared by most Americans. What the right wing fringe thinks is Socialism, is basically market capitalism with a social safety net. National health care is not Socialism. The fact that you pay taxes and receive services is not Socialism. If you like moving the goal posts up 50 yards and saying you got a TD because you made it from the 40 to the 50, then SCORE!

If you're living in the real world, what M. Obama said in your quote is absolutely accurate. I don't want that much -- do you? I am in my 40s and live in a duplex condo. Quite pleasant actually. I know a lot of people who live similarly, or in townhouses way out in the exurbs, but of course they have a longer commute. I simply don't expect the "prosperity" represented by materialist overkill. I don't mind doing well, but I'm not going to grind my teeth at night that I can't get a new car every year because I have to help support the poor. Most people I know, right and left, think similarly -- with the exception of far right idealists. For them it's a "matter of principal" that the poor live in heinous conditions.

Get a grip. Americans by and large like the idea that our country can have a certain floor to its citizens wellbeing, below which we don't let them sink. Simply put, nobody rejoices (well maybe the right wingers but nobody I know,) when they pass by the homeless -- whether they cough up a couple of quarters or not.

I know we have a high proportion here of enraged haters who still can't get over Obama living. There's a hard core that's going to take a long time to get it, and they'll continue to grasp at any next straw that suggests to them that our last election was a terrible, terrible mistake. They're eight years late.

I expect to hear and tune out this sort of whining for a long, long time. From your point of view, my friend, America is a center left nation.

PFnV

***NEPatriot*** · 05-23-2009, 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by PatsFanInVa

In terms of your post, it's probably funny to a really hard-core group of right-wingers. I'm just not in your readership I guess. It looked like another angry bitter guy from the losing side overreacting to the other side beating them. That's just a reaction to the list of crap posted; too heavy-handed. There's a light touch that you need to use to broaden satire and parody. The heavy hand is more fun and less challenging, but it narrows your focus.

I'm a bitter person because Obama won? Hardly a good reason. People win and loose. I don't expect Republican party is going to control this country forever. I accepted the reality and I even publicly apologized about Bush's billion dollar debt.

Will you publicly apologize for Obama trillion debt?

I don't care how you win but you need to do it with style and integrity. You can't possibly tell me that you could NOT find a liberal who was willing to show everybody his REAL birth certificate? Why did your guy go to ACORN to get his votes?

The more you listen to Obama, the more you are going to believe. Stop listening his crap for a few days.

***DarrylS*** · 05-23-2009, 12:30 PM

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what does NEM stand for?

NEM is the Lord Voldemort of this board, "he whose name shall never be mentioned"... he was banned for life for his incessant rants and raves that turned into threats.. he now resides in that great bastion of liberalism, Phoenix.

He reminds me of some of the fringe elements of this board, names who shall not be mentioned... who have predictably short shelf lives as their bad behavior is common.

godef · 05-24-2009, 11:33 AM

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It's only 5 months! What are the signs of socialists? Michelle Obama said "The truth is most Americans don't want much. Folks don't want a whole pie. Most Americans feel blessed to thrive a little bit but it is out of reach for them. In order to get things like universal healthy care and revamped education system then someone is going to have to give up a piece of their pie so that someone else can have more."

This comes from your CNN. Check it out the video to learn more about Obama's socialism.

YouTube - Obama Will Reduce Liberty! Shows Signs of Socialism!

Yes, it's only 5 months!!! Actually, never mind 5 months, you were probably one of thoose calling him socialist even before the elections.

He is not a socialist. Even those in the US who are socialist say he is not. You would think socialists in this country would be jumping for joy that one of theirs was the POTUS, even if not completely. But yet...

Is Obama A Socialist? Not if You Ask One - HUMAN EVENTS
Obama's No Socialist. I Should Know. - washingtonpost.com
Conservatives and Socialists argue: Is Obama a socialist ...

So please, stop posting things you don't even understand.

***NEPatriot*** · 05-24-2009, 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by godef

Yes, it's only 5 months!!! Actually, never mind 5 months, you were probably one of thoose calling him socialist even before the elections.

He is not a socialist. Even those in the US who are socialist say he is not. You would think socialists in this country would be jumping for joy that one of theirs was the POTUS, even if not completely. But yet...

Is Obama A Socialist? Not if You Ask One - HUMAN EVENTS
Obama's No Socialist. I Should Know. - washingtonpost.com
Conservatives and Socialists argue: Is Obama a socialist ...

So please, stop posting things you don't even understand.

I don't understand the changes? You voted for him last year with the hope that he changes this country around. After being in the office for only 5 months, he said that 'we are out of money'.

Of course, we are AFTER he spent the last trillion dollar we had. National's debt is 11T. He is still working on his FREE health care.

Sure, you understand something about Obama better than me.