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Nancy lied, people died?

Who's telling the truth here. Did she know, or did she not know. If she knew full well what was going on, raised no objections to it, and lied about it all after the fact, what should happen to her, if anything at all?


Panetta to CIA employees: We told Pelosi the truth

CIA Director Leon Panetta just sent a stern message to his employees defending the agency against Speaker Nancy Pelosi's criticisms.

His message: We didn't mislead Congress; stay focused on your job.

Panetta's note was sent to reporters via the CIA press office. Here's the key graph:

"Let me be clear: It is not our policy or practice to mislead Congress. That is against our laws and our values. As the Agency indicated previously in response to Congressional inquiries, our contemporaneous records from September 2002 indicate that CIA officers briefed truthfully on the interrogation of Abu Zubaydah, describing “the enhanced techniques that had been employed.” Ultimately, it is up to Congress to evaluate all the evidence and reach its own conclusions about what happened."

Panetta to CIA employees: We told Pelosi the truth - Glenn Thrush - POLITICO.com

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Holy Diver

Former Senator Bob Graham:

Graham: David, when I was briefed about three weeks after The Speaker, the subject "waterboarding" never came up. Nor did the treatment of Abu-Zubaydah or any other specific detainee.

Shuster: And that's significant because by the time of your briefing and the Speaker's briefing we now know that Zubaydah had been waterboarded 83 times, so again was their a requirement, was it incumbent on the CIA to tell you as the Chairman of Senate Intelligence Committee or a ranking member, was there an obligation on them to tell you what was going on?

Graham: Yes, they're obligated to tell the full Intelligence Committee not just the leadership. This was the same time, within the same week in fact that the CIA was submitting their National Intelligence Estimate or NIE report on WMD's in IRAQ which proved so erroneous that we went to war and that have had thousands of persons killed and injured as a result of misinformation.

David, I think fundamentally what's happening is there's an attempt underway to try and shift the discussion away from what's really important and that is did the US use torture? Was that within the law? Who authorized and what were the consequences of that. Those are the important issues. Whether The Speaker or anybody else knew about it is frankly sort of off on the edges.

Holy Diver

someone isn't telling the truth here.

patsfan13

Well Pelosi has changed her story multiple times so we know she is lying.

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Terry Glenn is a cowgirl

she is a politician... in other words, just another day in the life.

IcyPatriot

Me thinks someone in the Obama administration wants Pelosi gone. It's rather easy to see ... Obama has Panetta in the CIA and Panetta is vigorously working the CIA side. Bye Pelosi and Harry Reid is next up to bat ...

Harry Boy

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DarrylS

Yea that is it.. all politicians lie or change their stories.. that is the way of the political world.. does not make it right.. it is the way the political world works.

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Fogbuster

The Republicans have controlled both houses of Congress for something like 8 years out of the past 60 years, yet all Pelosi and the rest of those slime-balls want to do is lay EVERYTHING at the feet of the Republican Congress and President. The Dems are trying to build a fire-wall to protect themselves against any and all mistakes -- including LIES -- that they have committed. Doesn't get much lower than that. They look up at whale turds.


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Harry Boy

They will do themselves in they can't help it, instead of working on their health care ***** and the economy they are still obsessed with Bush, I always said their Hate and Jealousy would do them in, they can't let Bush go, they are 'dirty human beings' I feel sorry for their family's.

The republicans won't have any trouble in 2012 and who knows what Prince Jug Ears will do between now and then.

The Pelosi Gang Of Grinners (fun TV).............

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Harry Boy (Genius)

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