Fogbuster

I disagree. Just because someone called "a psychologist" dreams up a form of unpleasant treatment that may induce someone to reveal information they are holding secret (because they know revealing it will stop their plan to harm others) does not automatically equal it will "ruin a person's mind".

Please explain how water-boarding someone who knows of information about planned attacks on innocents could ever have their mind "ruined"!!! It is my understanding that to induce someone to reveal the truth that could save other people -- perhaps even thousands, maybe MILLIONS -- will produce a state of liberation and euphoria over being unburdened of destructive crimes that would otherwise haunt them forever. I've seen people confess to far lesser crimes than terrorism and become greatly liberated by their confession.

Confession is good for the soul.


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wistahpatsfan

It's unanswerable in the affirmative because that would require a metaphysical leap of faith.

Fogbuster

You're making EXCELLENT progress, wistah. Keep it up.


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Fogbuster

Fine by me, but we gotta run it by Mrs. Wistah first ....


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wistahpatsfan

HOLY *****

Are you reaching!
You're using a religious metaphor to justify waterboarding? It will halp them...even "produce a state of liberation and euphoria"??

WTF!

Harry Boy

The American Indian used to capture a White Mother F---er and then tie him to a Birch Tree then they would build a big campfire and smoke some "Loco Weed" after it got dark they would all dance around the White Bastard and scream Apache Curses at him, some of the Braves would unrinate on his legs, the little Indian Kids would punch Whitey in his groin, the old Indian Hags would laugh at his little Penis, then when the Moon was high The Chief would make a 3 1/4" incision in the White Bastards stomach, the Indian Medicine Man would then reach inside Whiteys belly and grab a piece of the White Bastards intestines he would attach a piece of Whiteys intestines to the Birch Tree, by now the crowd was going wild, some of the indians were having sex with each other and some were trying to have sex with their horses, many were playing with themselves.

Suddenly, the drums stopped all was silent, the Chief rose from his Buffalo Skins and slowly walked over to the White Mother F--ker, the Chief smiled and said "you can go home now" as Whitey walked away his intestines were still attached to the tree, he slowly disemboweled Himself...

Try that one on a Gitmo Resident and you'll save a few lives.

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Fogbuster

Call it what you will, confession is NOT the exclusive domain of the official religions of the world. Just like there are few to no atheists in fox-holes, there are few to none who not like to unburden themselves if they could find a way; confession is such a way. Even the English torturers of William Wallace tried to use confession for Wallace, but in that case it was to soothe their own guilt over domineering the Scots by force.


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Fogbuster

But when time is of the essence, and your way has NOT produced the intel that could save hundreds, perhaps thousands or even MILLIONS of lives from a suitcase nuke or mega anthrax burst, then desperate times call for desperate measures, especially when those desperate measures do NOT kill or permanently damage the interrogated. Water-boarding, sleep deprivation, and slapping all can be those desperate measures that save lives, maybe MILLIONS.


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patsfan13

Sure you don't, especially since I don't consider <40 sec of waterboarding torture in dealing with a mass murderer.

If you wife and child had been in the WTC on 9-11 would you wish KSM had been waterboarded if it would have prevented the 9-11 attack???

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Stokes

Similar to Fog's post, but are you willing to play the game here and assume just for a moment that field manual techniques are ineffective, and you have evidence that harsher techniques work. Would you be willing to employ waterboarding or something similar to get the information?

I realize you don't agree with the assessment from the report in this case, but just pretending it was true, what would you do?