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Anti-Christian ‘Hate Crimes’ Vote Expected Wednesday, April 22

Anti-Christian ‘Hate Crimes’ Vote Expected Wednesday, April 22

April 17 , 2009 – Washington, DC –Two weeks ago, Traditional Values Coalition Executive Director Andrea Lafferty warned supporters that a vote on the so-called hate crimes bill would take place the week of April 20th. TVC had learned that Rep. John Conyers (D-MI) and Rep. Mark Kirk (R-IL) would quietly re-introduce the so-called hate crimes bill--H.R. 1913, the Local Law Enforcement Hate Crimes Prevention Act of 2009.

It is now expected that on Wednesday, April 22, the full U.S. House Judiciary Committee will vote on H.R. 1913, the Local Law Enforcement Hate Crimes Prevention Act of 2009.

The so-called hate crimes bill will be used to lay the legal foundation and framework to investigate, prosecute and persecute pastors, business owners, Bible teachers, Sunday School teachers, youth leaders, Christian counselors, religious broadcasters and anyone else whose actions are based upon and reflect the truths found in the Bible.

H.R. 1913 broadly defines “intimidation. A pastor’s sermon could be considered “hate speech” under this legislation if heard by an individual who then acts aggressively against persons based on any “sexual orientation.” The pastor could be prosecuted for “conspiracy to commit a hate crime.”

During Committee markup in 2007, Rep. Artur Davis (D-AL) admitted that the legislation will not protect a pastor from prosecution.

Traditional Values Coalition is calling on supporters to contact their Members of Congress to oppose H.R. 1913, the so-called hate crimes bill.

patsfan13

Bye Bye !st amendment.

Courtesy of the party of tolerance...

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"Some guys play in all-star games, some guys don't. I don't know who picks all those all-star teams. In all honesty, I don't know who picks the combine, for that matter," Belichick said. "How does (Miami-Ohio offensive lineman Brandon) Brooks not get invited to the combine? How did Vollmer not get invited to the combine? I don't know. We can't really worry about that. We just have to try to evaluate them the best we can."

Wildo7

Oh please, try actually reading the bill.

Harry Boy

If Martin Luther King were alive does this mean he would go to Jail again.

Conyers is a "Racist Dog"

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Harry Boy (Genius)

In The Absence Of Law And Order Society Will Surely Destroy Itself

patsfan13

I took you advice and read the bill I don't see the basis for a conspiracy link based on speech. However I also see NO reason for this bill. It basically adresses violent crimes that are already against the law. The law is pointless just a piece of feel good legislation to pander to special interest groups.


If a violent crime is committed the perp should be prosecuted and thrown in jail. The motivation should not matter.


Let's say 2 people are assulted, both suffer a broken leg and 3 facial bruises of equal seriousness. Person A was gay, perp a get a 15 year sentence due to punishment provisions in a hate crime law. Person B was just a regular schmuck and perp B gets a 5 year sentence under an assult law. IMO person B was not afforded equal protection under the law. It is unconstitutional IMO to afford more protection under the law for someone based on the motivation of the criminal.

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"Some guys play in all-star games, some guys don't. I don't know who picks all those all-star teams. In all honesty, I don't know who picks the combine, for that matter," Belichick said. "How does (Miami-Ohio offensive lineman Brandon) Brooks not get invited to the combine? How did Vollmer not get invited to the combine? I don't know. We can't really worry about that. We just have to try to evaluate them the best we can."

wistahpatsfan

I agree. Hate crime legislation is bull***** and unconstitutional.

Wildo7

But a violent crime directed towards an individual on the basis of race, religion, gender or disability doesn't just victimize the person being physically attacked. It's deliberately meant to intimidate and oppress an entire group of people in a given community. It's no different than an act of terrorism, which carries more weight than other crimes.

While the valdiity of Hate Crime laws is one argument, it's a whole other argument that these religious fundamentalists try to make every time with Hate Crime legislation. They spread fear and hysteria by lying about what is in the bill. I worked in an office that passed similar legislation about 2 years ago and it was the same thing, a bunch of propaganda being spread by the hard right and certain religious leaders about how the Bill was going to be able to prosecute them simply for standing up and ranting against gays, which wasn't even remotely true.

Wildo7

How is it unconstitutional?

patsfan13

I disagree, my rights to redress my grievences are equal to anyone elses regardless of the motivation of my assilants. How do you determine what is really going on in the mind of a particular perp? Do we really know if T Bundy discriminated against a particular victim.

I believe in equal protection under the law not defined vitim classes.



this may be due to people seeing that once a law is passed it takes on a life of it's own and is exapnded way beyond the original claims of the authors.

Do you work in the political process?

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"Some guys play in all-star games, some guys don't. I don't know who picks all those all-star teams. In all honesty, I don't know who picks the combine, for that matter," Belichick said. "How does (Miami-Ohio offensive lineman Brandon) Brooks not get invited to the combine? How did Vollmer not get invited to the combine? I don't know. We can't really worry about that. We just have to try to evaluate them the best we can."

Wildo7

This isn't even remotely true. We have different charges based on motivation already: aggravated assault, premeditated murder etc. that's what "degrees" are for (i.e. 2nd degree murder).

The burden of proof is insanely high to prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that the victim was deliberately targeted on the basis of religion, gender, race etc. It's another complete lie that if a white guy mugs a black guy he's going to be prosecuted for a hate crime. You have to get a ton of evidence showing that the accused deliberately attacked the person for those reasons. There's zero speculation involved.


It's not possible with this type of legislation, the requirements for prosecution are very specific. Regardless, that doesn't change the fact that they are lying about what is in it to people in order to drum up opposition.

I used to.