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Does a state have the right to secede from the union?
Please fellas, no name calling. I'd like to have a serious discussion about secession, and whether or not a state(s) have the right to do so. I'm curious about the legal angles, and different opinions people may have on the topic. Please try to be civil, and if you act like a douche, I'll ask you to leave. Huzzah! As if my asking someone to leave actually means anything. Seriously though, let's leave the diarea to one of the other threads in the forum. Thanks in advance!
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Re: Does a state have the right to secede from the union?
It's a tricky question. Technically, yes, but we all know what happened the last time they tried it. I think some interesting reading on it is Secession debated: Georgia’s showdown in 1860, which is a collection of arguments from both sides from the secession crisis before the Civil War, edited by William W. Freehling, Craig M. Simpson.
Personally, I think it should only be treated as a nuclear option.
Re: Does a state have the right to secede from the union?
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Originally Posted by Real World
Please fellas, no name calling. I'd like to have a serious discussion about secession, and whether or not a state(s) have the right to do so. I'm curious about the legal angles, and different opinions people may have on the topic. Please try to be civil, and if you act like a douche, I'll ask you to leave. Huzzah! As if my asking someone to leave actually means anything. Seriously though, let's leave the diarea to one of the other threads in the forum. Thanks in advance!
I say yes, if it is the preference of the majority of the state residents. Why not?
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Re: Does a state have the right to secede from the union?
I think Texas is a different situation then other states. I think Texas was a country in name at first and agreed to join the union. What the govenor is saying is that since it was a country, and agreed to join then it could back out of that agreement. Personally the only reason i wouldn't want to see it happen is ripple effect, where one state after another decides to leave because they don't like a particular president.
Seriously i think texas would be in trouble if they did this, i don't think they'd make it on their own, if they hope to have the same standard of living.
Re: Does a state have the right to secede from the union?
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I think Texas is a different situation then other states. I think Texas was a country in name at first and agreed to join the union. What the govenor is saying is that since it was a country, and agreed to join then it could back out of that agreement. Personally the only reason i wouldn't want to see it happen is ripple effect, where one state after another decides to leave because they don't like a particular president.
Seriously i think texas would be in trouble if they did this, i don't think they'd make it on their own.
I think it has to do with the Texas Annexation Treaty or something flex, but more or less, I think you are correct. I'm going to look it up.
As for the latter part, there I will disagree. I think Texas would absolutely survive on it's own. It's coastal, would border two countries, and has natural resources, with an advantageous climate. Geographically I think it'd be in a spot where it could succeed pretty well. I could be wrong of course. Oh, but I do agree with you on the ripple effect it could potentially create. I don't want any state to secede from the union, but, being a big believer in state's rights, I think all should have the legal right to. I just hope it never happens.
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Re: Does a state have the right to secede from the union?
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Sure they could make it on their own. Why not?
Making it on your own is not some kind of accomplishment for a country.
Ethiopia is sovereign.
Yeah thats true, i mean with the same standard of living. I'm willing to bet that they have to import almost everything including energy. I don't think they have an abundance of natural resources. A good deal of Texas isn't condusive to farming,(although i could be dead wrong on that.
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I think it has to do with the Texas Annexation Treaty or something flex, but more or less, I think you are correct. I'm going to look it up.
As for the latter part, there I will disagree. I think Texas would absolutely survive on it's own. It's coastal, would border two countries, and has natural resources, with an advantageous climate. Geographically I think it'd be in a spot where it could succeed pretty well. I could be wrong of course. Oh, but I do agree with you on the ripple effect it could potentially create. I don't want any state to secede from the union, but, being a big believer in state's rights, I think all should have the legal right to. I just hope it never happens.
Cambridge would get NASA back.
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Re: Does a state have the right to secede from the union?
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I think Texas would absolutely survive on it's own. It's coastal, would border two countries, and has natural resources, with an advantageous climate. Geographically I think it'd be in a spot where it could succeed pretty well.
To my earlier point - - you just described Ethiopia.
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Does a state have the right to secede from the union?
Seriously though, let's leave the diarea to one of the other threads in the forum. Thanks in advance!
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