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I love that Guardian UK section front, Wildo. Count the number of times you read "Israel" and the number of times you read "Hamas". Yet I do note this:
Evidently, AI has a somewhat more balanced approach than Guardian UK, although in calling for an independent investigation, they take care only to accuse Hamas of what they already admit. Overall, in fact, I see nothing in the Guardian's coverage that would not be welcomed on a Hamas website.
At any rate, I'll let you and Mav and the usual coterie discuss everything Isael must answer for, at least for this morning. I did read a story in the Post a week or two ago, about IDF soldiers who said they received some very Lt. Calley-like orders, and was certain we'd be back at it eventually.
I do not, however, believe any such state of affairs arose in a vacuum, as implied by the editorial choices the Guardian makes on the matter.
Evidently, AI has a somewhat more balanced approach than Guardian UK, although in calling for an independent investigation, they take care only to accuse Hamas of what they already admit. Overall, in fact, I see nothing in the Guardian's coverage that would not be welcomed on a Hamas website.
The only news PFnV considers "balanced" is something completely slanted, twisted, and biased in favor of Israel and its PR. PFnV has zero credibility on these issues anymore, he gets even more un-objective the more time goes by.
PFnV: Just keep ignoring the reports coming out from Israeli soldiers themselves, they must also secretly hate Israel to admit truths damaging to the official PR machine. Please continue to discredit anything that counters the Zionist worldview, it really helps your cause.
The only news PFnV considers "balanced" is something completely slanted, twisted, and biased in favor of Israel and its PR. PFnV has zero credibility on these issues anymore, he gets even more un-objective the more time goes by.
PFnV: Just keep ignoring the reports coming out from Israeli soldiers themselves, they must also secretly hate Israel to admit truths damaging to the official PR machine. Please continue to discredit anything that counters the Zionist worldview, it really helps your cause.
yeah, but the guardian is anything but fair and balanced itself.......
that said, a handful of zionists are at the core of the majority of the worlds problems today
"...To speak out about the criminal actions of the Israeli military and state in the western world is to risk being called an Anti-Semite. We are so filled with holocaust guilt that we have been silent while Palestinians are starved, denied medical treatment, live with reduced water and electricity, as they cry over their children who are slaughtered for throwing rocks at a tank. When we fail to speak are we not committing the same crime? Are we not suborning the ghettoes that they are housed in and the inferior education that their children receive?..."
There will never be peace there in our lifetime. It's sad, and tragic, but it's the truth I think. Too much hatred and distrust all over. Too many hands stiring the pot from the outside too boot. Everyone talks about a two state solution, but if people meant it, we'd have seen it happen already. Both sides have blood on their hands, and pointing to one as innocent, and the other as guilty, is ignorant. I hope I'm wrong, but that place will be the same 10 years from now.
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"The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of doubt, what is laid before him." Leo Tolstoy, 1897
There will never be peace there in our lifetime. It's sad, and tragic, but it's the truth I think. Too much hatred and distrust all over. Too many hands stiring the pot from the outside too boot. Everyone talks about a two state solution, but if people meant it, we'd have seen it happen already. Both sides have blood on their hands, and pointing to one as innocent, and the other as guilty, is ignorant. I hope I'm wrong, but that place will be the same 10 years from now.
For Mav Gibson: As I said, I read reports regarding the Israeli Soldiers in the Post maybe a week or two ago, and found it pretty chilling.
For the OP: No, I don't think the Guardian is doing a balanced job, per my own post (you know, the one with my words in it.)
Regarding whether Israel got its point across: Partially. Part of the "no bad Hamas news" blackout has been an utter disregard for the sporadic shelling that continued after the invasion, albeit at lower intensity. No doubt it is always justified a priori, and no doubt it is evidence of the failure of Israel's policy. It is, however, a fact -- just not an important one, as it involves the safety of Israelis.
I now return you to your regularly scheduled lynch mob. Tanked, I see you have strong opinions regarding "most of the problems in the world," or whatever your phrase is. I am not surprised that the acumen and grasp of issues you show elsewhere on this forum is replicated in the opinion you expose here.
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