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Old 02-15-2009, 02:12 PM   #31
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...Someone needs to tell Duval Patrick that he's not the President of Massachusetts. ......
No, but he is the governor.....
BTW, he won't be here much longer. He'll soon be joining the ranks of Mass governors who move in from out-of-state, get the job, then leave in the middle of their term. Been that way since Dukakis, and he would have done it too if he didn't have Willie Horton and the tank video.
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Old 02-15-2009, 04:05 PM   #32
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Nice. Together we can.

Hey, less people will drive, which means less emissions, which means we'll go higher up on the Health Index list! It's pure genious!

AP NewsBreak: Patrick weighs 27 cent gas tax hike

By Glen Johnson
AP Political Writer / February 9, 2009

BOSTON—Gov. Deval Patrick is considering raising the gasoline tax in Massachusetts by 27 cents per gallon as part of a comprehensive transportation overhaul plan, The Associated Press learned Monday.

The proposal would stave off a doubling of Turnpike tolls planned for this summer, but would leave the state with the highest gasoline tax in the nation at 50.5 cents.

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The plan calls for the state's Highway Division to receive $325 million, or 12.5 cents, of the added 27 cents-per-gallon gas tax. The MBTA would receive $286 million, or 11 cents, while the regional transit authorities would receive $39 million, or 1.5 cents.


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I guess you figured my thread wasn't enough on this topic (which you commented in by the way)....

How can Gov Patrick raise the gas tax?

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I guess you figured my thread wasn't enough on this topic (which you commented in by the way)....

How can Gov Patrick raise the gas tax?
This thread predates yours by 3 days.
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This thread predates yours by 3 days.
Well....ah....he musta known I was gonna post one myself then Michael. I really don't care, this was MY topic!
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Ah right, because the extra revenue from this tax will be going directly to R&D in alternative energies.

By your logic we should tax the ***** out of twinkies and ho-hos because our national obesity problem is bankrupting our healthcare system.

All this tax does is make gas more expensive for the end users who are already short on cash and worst of all feed the monster that is the MA state government which prefers to take more rather than cutting any of the ample waste we have. I'm also not sure how making gas more expensive for end users will spur alternatives. Isn't the price of crude (which as PC and others have said will go up again and I agree) a MUCH more important factor in where the investments go?
I'll type so slow so you can see how a logic train works.

If the cost of a good to a consumer goes up, due to raw material costs(crude), production costs (refinery retooling) or other means (taxes), then the consumer is motivated to reduce usage or find alternative means. (so the cost of crude is not any more important, but it is certainly inevitable) When the consumer desires to spend their money on alternative means, entrepreneurs act to provide an answer. Hence, alternative energy production finds investment and grows. Some crazy folks refer to this as capitalism.

Whatever MA does with the money to assist is gravy, but it sounds like they just need money. I certainly don't think politicians are responsible at all in taxing and spending, but discouraging the use of gasoline is becoming critically important and for you not to see that is incredibly short sighted. Press Coverage has explained this all before, but I guess some folks really only care about what they have now and the rest of the world and future generations can go fcuk off, right?

And oh yes, taxing ho-hos and twinkies (and all other empty foods) would have the impact you predict, but that's another subject.
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I'll type so slow so you can see how a logic train works.

If the cost of a good to a consumer goes up, due to raw material costs(crude), production costs (refinery retooling) or other means (taxes), then the consumer is motivated to reduce usage or find alternative means. (so the cost of crude is not any more important, but it is certainly inevitable) When the consumer desires to spend their money on alternative means, entrepreneurs act to provide an answer. Hence, alternative energy production finds investment and grows. Some crazy folks refer to this as capitalism.

Whatever MA does with the money to assist is gravy, but it sounds like they just need money. I certainly don't think politicians are responsible at all in taxing and spending, but discouraging the use of gasoline is becoming critically important and for you not to see that is incredibly short sighted. Press Coverage has explained this all before, but I guess some folks really only care about what they have now and the rest of the world and future generations can go fcuk off, right?

And oh yes, taxing ho-hos and twinkies (and all other empty foods) would have the impact you predict, but that's another subject.
I think just about everyone in here understands how capitalism works. I think the issue some people have is that the gubmit taxing an industry into submission, isn't all that capitalistic.
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