Wiretapping: So much for the "if you've done nothing wrong" Con man talking point - Page 2 - New England Patriots Forums

***reflexblue*** · 01-22-2009, 08:40 PM

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Originally Posted by IcyPatriot

That argument doesn't really hold water. The growth of terrorists and hard core Muslims pimping Islam for the disenfranchised was synonymous with the growth of the internet. I said this 6 years ago after we were attacked and I say it today. The information age allowed terrorists to expand their base around the globe. It was so much easier for them to seek and find those who had little to live for and decided to devote their lives to a cause // or rather a god that was supposedly sympathetic to the ppor and destitute. A peace loving religion was changed for a political cause ... much of it funded by the very oil we are addicted to. Much of this movement was funded straight out of Saudi Arabia ... our supposed allies. Recently ... experts have discovered there are many hidden ties between the Sunni and the Shia in the elite power circles. many ties between Saudi Arabia and Iran that were covered up by the Bush administration ... many ... many ... many.

I don't buy that theory, it made it a little easier for them Maybe. I think it was the fact that we never left Saudi Arabia after the first Gulf War. Thats was pissed OBL off,thats what got him more followers, that was his motivation for the attacks on 9/11. When you think about it most of the hijakers on that day were from Saudi Arabia. Something like 19 out of 20.
I still think were easy pray. An attack threw a sea port like L.A, N.Y.,Boston, N.O. would still be pretty easy to do with so many cargo ahips with cargo containers passing through.

***IcyPatriot*** · 01-22-2009, 08:43 PM

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Originally Posted by reflexblue

I don't buy that theory, it made it a little easier for them Maybe. I think it was the fact that we never left Saudi Arabia after the first Gulf War. Thats was pissed OBL off,thats what got him more followers, that was his motivation for the attacks on 9/11. When you think about it most of the hijakers on that day were from Saudi Arabia. Something like 19 out of 20.

I was adding to my post ... recently much info has been gained about the Sunni and Shia elite ... they are connected and the internet and $$$ became a marriage too good to be true for them. Yes ... Saudi Arabia wanted us away while we bought their oil and supplied them with weapons. Secret pacts between tribesmen, families were born. Now it seems so clear ... how come we never read of Saudi Arabia vs Iran hate. The Sunni of Saudi Arabia elite vs the Shia of Iran elite. They let their own blood slay each other as they waged a secret war upon us ... Bush and his secret circle knew and he/they pimped it also. They are now finding there were connections between OBL and Iran ... but perhaps they knew and they are just now leaking that there were connections. How could OBL be connected to Iran if the Sunni and Shia so hated each other?

***reflexblue*** · 01-22-2009, 08:48 PM

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Originally Posted by icypatriot

i switched to morse code ... They forgot how to use it.

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***IcyPatriot*** · 01-22-2009, 09:01 PM

Soory to PC for getting off track ... but I thought it was connected as
they used all that conflict and the growth of terrorism to wiretap us.

***PressCoverage*** · 01-22-2009, 09:03 PM

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Originally Posted by PatsFanInMaine

So long as the information is not used in the prosecution of an individual I have no problems with it. Fact is there has not been a single terrorist attack on American soil since 9/11. Someone was doing something right for a change.

This is such a crock of *****. For two precise reasons:

- Why would they NEED to spend exponentially more and attack us here when our arrogant leadership provided a nice canvas for them right on the streets of Baghdad and Kabul? Not only are unwitting U.S. soldiers more symbolic to their cause, but their entire goal in the first place.

- the one attack they did successfully execute was no surprise -- Dick Cheney knew it was coming.... knew it was coming, to the point of moving the vast majority of NORAD fighter cover out of the region entirely for multiple, convenient "war game exercises" ...

So amusing watching Con men resting on one tired, vague premise after another in order to explain away (or justify) yet another fraudulent talking point... (the one that goes: "if you've done nothing wrong, you have nothing to worry about with wiretapping")

***patsfan13*** · 01-22-2009, 09:14 PM

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Candidate Obama claimed George W. Bush "shredded" the Constitution. But as president-elect, Obama nominated former Deputy Attorney General Eric Holder to serve as attorney general. Holder, in a 2002 CNN interview, agreed with the Bush administration's position that the Geneva Conventions do not apply to terrorist detainees! "One of the things we clearly want to do with these prisoners," said Holder, "is to have an ability to interrogate them and find out what their future plans might be, where other cells are located. It seems to me that given the way in which they have conducted themselves, however, that they are not, in fact, people entitled to the protection of the Geneva Convention. They are not prisoners of war."

Holder also supported the Patriot Act, first passed in the Senate 98-1. The Senate renewed it in 2006 with support from then-Sens. Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama. Both versions included the much-condemned "library provisions," which allow federal agents -- after authorization from a "secret" court -- to obtain suspects' records from businesses, libraries and bookstores during terrorism probes.

Two months ago, the United States Court of Appeals for the 2nd Circuit ruled unanimously in support of legal warrantless searches of Americans overseas. "The Fourth Amendment's requirement of reasonableness -- but not the Warrant Clause -- applies to extraterritorial searches and seizures of U.S. citizens," wrote the judges. The panel of judges justified "sustained and intense monitoring" as reasonable, given the "self-evident need to investigate threats to national security."

Candidate Obama promised to shut down Guantanamo Bay immediately, and the new President recently reiterated his intention. But the closure may take some time -- possibly a year -- as the administration faces the reality of what to do with the estimated 245 detainees, many of whom represent serious threats. Countries claiming "abuses" at Gitmo refuse to take any of the detainees, including those from their own countries.

Larry Elder : Obama Begins -- and So Does the Resurrection of Bush - Townhall.com

***Harry Boy*** · 01-22-2009, 10:07 PM

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Originally Posted by PressCoverage

yet another tired, baseless "nothing to see here" claim by the 28 percenters can effectively be put to bed regarding Boy King's little "war"... I'd be tired of proving Shrub loyalists wrong if it weren't so utterly satisfying each time....

Former NSA Analyst: NSA ‘Monitored All Communications’ Of Americans

also targeted Journalists»

Last night on MSNBC’s “Countdown with Keith Olbermann,” former analyst for the National Security Agency Russell Tice revealed that the NSA had “monitored all communications” of Americans and specifically targeted journalists:

TICE: The National Security Agency had access to all Americans’ communications — faxes, phone calls, and their computer communications. And it didn’t matter whether you were in Kansas, in the middle of the country, and you never made any foreign communications at all. They monitored all communications. […] But an organization that was collected on were U.S. news organizations and reporters and journalists.

OLBERMANN: To what purpose? I mean, is there a file somewhere full of every e-mail sent by all the reporters at the “New York Times?” Is there a recording somewhere of every conversation I had with my little nephew in upstate New York? Is it like that?

TICE: If it was involved in this specific avenue of collection, it would be everything. Yes. It would be everything.

Tice, a major whistleblower who helped reveal President Bush’s warrantless wiretapping program to the New York Times in 2005, also told Olbermann that the agency sought specifically “to be deceptive” to prevent congressional committees from learning more about the program, calling it “a shell game”:

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In October, two other whistleblowers told ABC News that the NSA “routinely” listened in on Americans’ phone calls and agents would often share “salacious or tantalizing” intercepted calls with each other. All this despite Bush’s frequent protestations that his illegal wiretaping program was “limited,” that it targeted only “a phone call of an al Qaeda, known al Qaeda suspect,” and that he ensured “that our civil liberties of our citizens are treated with respect.”

"hello"
"whos this"
"who's this"
"who's this"
"mohammad"
"who"
"mohammad"
"mohammad who"
"you know"
"oh"
"have you got the bomb"
"what bomb"
"who's this"
"who's this"
"you know"
"did you hear that"
"hear what"
"i think the phone is bugged"
"don't say nothing about the bomb"
"what bomb"
"our bomb"
"oh"
"shhhhh"
"you bastard"

PatsFanInVa · 01-23-2009, 07:10 AM

So wait is phone sex a threat to America or not?

***Harry Boy*** · 01-23-2009, 07:24 AM

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Originally Posted by PatsFanInVa

So wait is phone sex a threat to America or not?

If Pant Suit Hillary is doing it with Alla Babba it is.

***reflexblue*** · 01-23-2009, 07:24 AM

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Originally Posted by patsfan13

You forget the first WTC attack I take it. Thanks for playing. BTW the cluster****** in Mogadishu, the lack response to Khobar Towers the Cole bombing and so on convinced OBL that WTC 2 was possible without severe consequences for Al Queda.

On American soil.... an attack on.....American soil. Does everything have to be spelled out for you agent 13? And to think i kind of missed you.