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***NEPatriot*** · 11-08-2008, 10:16 AM

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A Mombasa Mosque Imam agrees to release Barack Obama’s documents of birth

Posted by africanpress on November 7, 2008

We have stated earlier that Barack Obama was born in Mombasa, Kenya.

A confirmation to the effect will now be forthcoming. A Mombasa Mosque Imam has decided to release documents of birth that will indicate Barack Obama was born in Mombasa, given his middle name on the day he was born and blessed by the Imam of the day.”

All other documents pertaining to his registration of birth in Kenya have been sealed and categorised confidential.

A Mombasa Mosque Imam agrees to release Barack Obama’s documents of birth « African Press International (API)

Turk · 11-08-2008, 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Real World

Actually, I believe that the bolded is untrue.

Read carefully what you posted, especially #3.
His situation, had he been born abroad, satisfies both requirements.

I have witnessed similar situations where only one parent was an American citizen and this requirement always gets satisfied. No extensive background search is ever done and in this case, none is needed. The mother obviously did live in the US fot at least 5 years and at least until she was 16.

The intent here is not granting automatic citizenship to the offspring of those citizens that fall into the first category where a mother to be flies in to the US to give birth and flies back to her country, shortly afterwards, just so that the newborn is automatically a citizen.
The newborn is a US citizen, just because he/she was born here and then never lives here, never pays taxes, never contributes.
When he/she has children, they are not automatically US citizens, that's the intent.

***DarrylS*** · 11-08-2008, 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by NEPatriot

A Mombasa Mosque Imam agrees to release Barack Obama’s documents of birth « African Press International (API)

Cannot think of a more disengenuous source, African Press International.. now some Iman is getting involved and you folks are believing any of this.. desperate times for desperate people..

***reflexblue*** · 11-08-2008, 03:07 PM

So NEPatriot those sour grapes must still no be tasting any better you just keep rolling the BS out. Who are you talking to Belichick Fan,Cup of BS 1962, and Harry, maybe FTW. Nothing but a 4-5 way circle jerk.

***NEPatriot*** · 11-08-2008, 07:24 PM

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Originally Posted by reflexblue

So NEPatriot those sour grapes must still no be tasting any better you just keep rolling the BS out. Who are you talking to Belichick Fan,Cup of BS 1962, and Harry, maybe FTW. Nothing but a 4-5 way circle jerk.

You are a ungraceful person, aren't you?

I share you the news. If you don't want to increase your knowledge, don't stop others from doing so.

Real World · 11-08-2008, 11:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Turk

Read carefully what you posted, especially #3.
His situation, had he been born abroad, satisfies both requirements.

I have witnessed similar situations where only one parent was an American citizen and this requirement always gets satisfied. No extensive background search is ever done and in this case, none is needed. The mother obviously did live in the US fot at least 5 years and at least until she was 16.

The intent here is not granting automatic citizenship to the offspring of those citizens that fall into the first category where a mother to be flies in to the US to give birth and flies back to her country, shortly afterwards, just so that the newborn is automatically a citizen.
The newborn is a US citizen, just because he/she was born here and then never lives here, never pays taxes, never contributes.
When he/she has children, they are not automatically US citizens, that's the intent.

I wasn't speaking toward Obama's situation. I was speaking to the point you made:

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Originally Posted by Turk
A newborn with at least one parent being a US citizen, is automatically a US citizen, no matter where he may be born. Since, Obama's mother was a US citizen, she could have married anyone from any country and given birth to him anywhere in the world, and that would not change a thing. He is a US citizen.

Those points are incorrect.

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(3) Through birth abroad to ONE United States citizen - In most cases, you are a U.S. citizen if ALL of the following are true:

One of your parents was a U.S. citizen when you were born.
Your citizen parent lived at least 5 years in the United States before you were born; and at least 2 of these 5 years in the United States were after your citizen parent's 14th birthday*.
Your record of birth abroad, if registered with a U.S. consulate or embassy, is proof of your citizenship. You may also apply for a passport to have your citizenship recognized. If you need additional proof of your citizenship, you may file an "Application for Certificate of Citizenship" (Form N-600) with USCIS to get a Certificate of Citizenship.

*If you were born before November 14, 1986, you are a citizen, if your U.S. citizen parent lived in the United States for at least 10 years, and 5 of those years, in the United States were after your citizen parent's 14th birthday.

Simply being born to a single US citizen is not enough.

Turk · 11-09-2008, 12:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Real World

I wasn't speaking toward Obama's situation. I was speaking to the point you made:

Those points are incorrect.

Simply being born to a single US citizen is not enough.

OK, I should have made it clearer, that a newborn of one US Citizen (that has lived in the US for at least 5 years, with 2 of those 5 years being after their 14th birthday) is automatically a citizen.

Since most of us fall into that category, I didn't feel the need to clarify.

However, it is noteworthy that nobody ever does a background check like that when a US citizen submits his newborn's birth certificate from a foreign country's hospital to the local US Consulate.

Again, the intent here is not granting automatic citizenship to the offspring of those who happen to just be born in this country and had been granted citizenship for that reason only.

PatsFanInVa · 11-09-2008, 12:31 AM

There's the big stink of whether one is a "native born" US Citizen only if one is born within the United States. I think that's what the "Of course he's a citizen" line of argument misses.

However, the burden of proof is clearly on the other side. He's shown the damn birth certificate, his birth was noted in a Honolulu paper (as we have all seen,) and there's no credible doubt that he was born in the United States, to an American mother.

You guys need a new hobby.

PFnV

PatsFanInVa · 11-09-2008, 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by NEPatriot

You are a ungraceful person, aren't you?

I share you the news. If you don't want to increase your knowledge, don't stop others from doing so.

I clicked on your website. Whatever this African Press International is, it is not a news outlet.

One headline: "Join Stop Obama Now March!"

Res ipso loquitor.

Hilarity.

Guys, you lost. Live with it. The President Elect is not going to go away because of internet rumors and nuisance suits.

I know you'll be around shouting "Socialism!" at every turn, and that's kind of humorous, but by and large okay. This stuff about him "not being American" is just a non-starter.

PFnV

***weswelker#83*** · 11-09-2008, 04:44 PM

Bitter thread , and sorry loser people.