Leave No Doubt

LOL no,I was talking about people who are physically addicted to alcohol,crack,heroin,cocaine,meth (which is frighteningly on the rise), as well as the ever-expanding, diverse,and perfectly legal array of pharmaceuticals which are advertised on TV about every 15 minutes in between ads for alcohol,all for our viewing pleasure.

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Real World

I'd go back and explain your inability to properly comprehend english, but this is alot easier.

My position on marajuana.

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Real World

Wes sometimes has trouble with them big 'ole ization words.

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"The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of doubt, what is laid before him."
Leo Tolstoy, 1897

Leave No Doubt

I think the Netherlands has had some success with their approach. Crime is down, apparently you don't see drug dealers hanging around the streets,and because drug users are not jailed unless they've violated another law (such as driving under the influence,etc), the country's not mass producing prisons.
I don't think there's much gang activity either. Their system's not perfect I'm sure,but addicts are getting treated and rehabilitated rather than jailed,much the same as we do here with alcoholics. Can you imagine if we started imprisoning alcoholics when we caught them buying booze? The US found out long ago that prohibition isn't the answer.

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Wildo7

You implied that there is a correlation between Marijuana and hard drug use. I don't care about your position on legalization, as I clearly stated in my last post (talk about an inability to properly comprehend english), the idea that there is a correlation is irrelevant as you can make just as strong a correlation between Heavy drug use and alcohol or chocolate, so I don't know why you said this:

I won't bother to straw man you by putting words in your mouth like you love to do to everyone else when you are running on fumes, but it appears that you are trying to suggest that "Marijuana is a gateway drug." I clearly responded to this argument, pointing out that it is totally tautological. Scout has just done the exact same thing.

So basically you wrote:

"I agree with legaization, but here's my support of an argument that Marijuana is a gateway drug."

Congratulations on your support for legalization. Your argument that Marijuana use leads to heavy drug use is flawed.

If you still can't understand, I can't help you out any further, so here's a classic video to divert your attention:

YouTube - Marky Mark feat. Prince Ital Joe - Life in the streets

MrBigglesWorth

it seems that the drugusers will vote for decriminalization and the non users will vote against it??

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Wildo7

I don't know why you would think that, based on the number of people in this thread who are not "drug users" that said they supported not only decriminalization but legalization, but if that were true, that would mean the 71% of Massachusetts voters are "drug users."

Stokes

To support your point I do not smoke marijuana and I am voting for the decriminalization. I'd probably vote for legalization too if it was on the table.

scout

Ok. Yea meth is one stupid drug. You have to be insane to take your first hit. BTW, the meth capital of Alaska is Wasilla, you betcha.

PressCoverage

as i've stated many times before... the drug trade brings 500 to 700 billion dollars into western economies, and it is absolutely vital to the sinister ambitions of certain... factions in power

it's off the books, and it's laundered through wall street... how do you think they pay for their little covert skirmishes and insurrections and sabotages abroad that Congress would never approve of?... have we forgotten what Iran-Contra was about? have we forgotten what happened at Mena Airport in Arkansas under Bill Clinton?

there was NEVER any "War on Drugs," Nancy.... your husband knew it... we all know it...

"Rubicon", pg. 57:

In late June of 1999, NYSE Chairman Dick Grasso traveled to Colombia and met
with the leader of the FARC rebels controlling the southern third of the country.
His trip was reported in the Associate Press, and, remarkably, the AP openly stated
that Grasso had asked the Colombian rebels to invest their profits in Wall
Street. The FARC make their money by taxing the cocaine trade. Catherine Austin
Fitts described the visit as “the ultimate cold call.” [19]

The amount of profit generated annually by the drug trade, if it is known with
any accuracy, is probably one of the most closely guarded secrets in the world.

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What we are concerned with is the cash generated from the growth or manufacture
and sale of drugs — because that money is illegal. It needs to hide, and then
it needs to be laundered before it can be used openly. It is not only cheap and secret
capital; it is capital that must be put someplace legal before it can be used. The illegal-
to-legal transition is where someone must know what is taking place.
Ignorance there — especially when the laundering transactions are gigantic ones
— is not a tenable position.

Among the many kinds of illegal activities in the world, the production and
laundering of drug money is central because it establishes channels for the flow of
other criminal profits. In 2001, according to the International Monetary Fund,
money laundering processed $1.5 trillion, a figure that exceeded the gross domestic
products of all but the world’s five largest economies.[21] In 2000 Le Monde
Diplomatique, a respected French publication, estimated total annual criminal revenues
at $1 trillion: “The drug trade accounts for as much as $500 bbn and at least
$1 bbn in criminal money is laundered every day.” [22] In 1997 the United Nations
estimated that, as of 1996, the drug trade represented 8 percent of all world trading
activity as measured in dollars. It estimated then that the narcotics industry
accounted for $440 billion in revenues. [23]

Looking at the cash flow in just one locality, PBS’s “Frontline” tried to make
the numbers a little easier to grasp. “Imagine a typical weekend in New York City.
Experts estimate that at least one percent of the population (80,000 plus) spends
$200 on illicit drugs. That alone would amount to $16 million dollars a week or
$832 million a year. And that’s just New York.”