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2) The taxes paid by all americans for a theoretical universal healthcare system would not cause people to declare bankruptcy. I never said it was "free" that is just you doing what you do best, and talking out of your ass.
3) Illegals have nothing to do with this, other than the fact that either way, they aren't paying for anything. As you said they don't get refused medical attention, so either the providers get paid back in a Universal system, por they get screwed in our current system.
First learn to read, and second, you should stick to your "forte".
Nothing is free pal. Look at every gubmit agency, policy, or program, and you'll see that everything it touches costs 5-10 times what's advertised. What most simpletons don't understand, is that the cost of gubmit is the #1 cause in the increased cost of living.
The taxpayer, and insurance premium payer, pay for illegals!
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4)PLEASE STOP ******* TALKING ABOUT PEOPLE LOSING THEIR HOMES BECAUSE OF BANKRUPTCY, IT HAS ZERO TO DO WITH THIS CONVERSATION.
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Other than him putting the "may" word in there, he is CLEARLY saying that it was caused by the lack of national health care. Replace "may" with "would" and you get :
"If we had had universal health coverage, this mortgage "crisis" would never have happened."
Them stated more easily to read you get :
"this mortgage crisis would never have happened if he had had universal health insurance"
He is drawing a clear cause and effect argument with a ridiculous premise.
NO he isn't!! Saying that if you had done X that may have avoided it doesn't mean that X is the cause of it. It's that simple.
On an aside, how do Milton Freedman types think predatory lenders would be avoided in a capitalist utopia? Consumer advocacy groups?
Why don't you just go brag about how straight you are in the ladies forum. At least I'm not an overcompensating jackass like you.
Awe, are we back to being Waldo again? You're idol made a ridiculous point, we explained why, and now you're all pissy over it. Awe...time for the name calling and personal insults I guess. This should be fun.
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"The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of doubt, what is laid before him." Leo Tolstoy, 1897
First learn to read, and second, you should stick to your "forte".
Nothing is free pal. Look at every gubmit agency, policy, or program, and you'll see that everything it touches costs 5-10 times what's advertised. What most simpletons don't understand, is that the cost of gubmit is the #1 cause in the increased cost of living.
The taxpayer, and insurance premium payer, pay for illegals!
Wow you are really milking that "forte" line huh? I guess that's what I get for being honest. Oh well, you saw a window and took it down. What a child.
Here's what I'd say to simpletons like you then: we are now paying 700 billion dollars because of deregulation. We are losing more money than we would have if we had enacted universal healthcare. Even if you characterize it as the most complicated, bloated bureaucratic mess, this is more expensive for the American taxpayer.
Seriously, you've been wrong and put your foot in your mouth so many times in this conversation you should just quit.
regardless of the facts or not. this is a major theft of money if it does pass. the biggest in recorded history
you can not tell me that this welath is going to stay in this country. that $700 billion is going right out of the country as soon as it possibly gets approved and in the process our remaining 401ks have been devalued because of introduction of an extra $700 billion into the economy as well as the economic surplus package last May.
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Awe, are we back to being Waldo again? You're idol made a ridiculous point, we explained why, and now you're all pissy over it. Awe...time for the name calling and personal insults I guess. This should be fun.
What's this "we" crap? All you've done is rant about illegals and made meaningless posts in condescending and insulting ways. You are incapable of discussing things as an adult. Note that I didn't insult or have a problem with anyone else in this thread but you.
You're only aim here is to instigate, so like the child that you are, I'm going to put you on time out like your mother obviously never did, and ignore you.
I think Moore saying that this is about healthcare is a tad ridiculous. I would contend that most of the people goind bankrupt may well have not been able to afford their crazy ARM mortgages anyway. Chumps buying a 300,000 dollar home with a 30,000 a year salary is just bound to fail eventually as the prices go up. This is more about bad banking decisions by huge banks and a market that was constantly manipulated to boom. And now it's crashing hard, taking those manipulators with it. Unfortunately it threatens the rest of us as well. I think that the onus of the expensive healthcare may have had some effect, but for him to say that it "may well have been avoided" is a tad presumptuous. He's underestimating the associates costs with universal healthcare as well, that may have had other unforseen effects. But this is his cause, so he sees it connected probably in a lot of things. I do like him suggesting that people take to the streets and voice their opinion to their representatives however. Nothing lights a fire under the collective asses of the Washington suits more than that. This is a pretty interesting thread, good call posting it Wildo.
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