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the more I read about this guy, the more he appears a fraud... blocking PoW rescue ambitions in Washington?... this story is extremely long, and detailed... and disgusting, if true... guy seems adamant that there are/were no PoW's all this time... angrily so... why so animated, John?
McCain and the POW Cover-Up
Thursday 18 September 2008
» Nation Institute
by: Sydney H. Schanberg, The Nation
John McCain, who has risen to political prominence on his image as a Vietnam POW war hero, has, inexplicably, worked very hard to hide from the public stunning information about American prisoners in Vietnam who, unlike him, didn't return home. Throughout his Senate career, McCain has quietly sponsored and pushed into federal law a set of prohibitions that keep the most revealing information about these men buried as classified documents. Thus the war hero who people would logically imagine as a determined crusader for the interests of POWs and their families became instead the strange champion of hiding the evidence and closing the books.
Almost as striking is the manner in which the mainstream press has shied from reporting the POW story and McCain's role in it, even as the Republican Party has made McCain's military service the focus of his presidential campaign. Reporters who had covered the Vietnam War turned their heads and walked in other directions. McCain doesn't talk about the missing men, and the press never asks him about them.
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McCain's role
An early and critical McCain secrecy move involved 1990 legislation that started in the House of Representatives. A brief and simple document, it was called "the Truth Bill" and would have compelled complete transparency about prisoners and missing men. Its core sentence reads: "[The] head of each department or agency which holds or receives any records and information, including live-sighting reports, which have been correlated or possibly correlated to United States personnel listed as prisoner of war or missing in action from World War II, the Korean conflict and the Vietnam conflict, shall make available to the public all such records held or received by that department or agency."
Bitterly opposed by the Pentagon (and thus McCain), the bill went nowhere. Reintroduced the following year, it again disappeared. But a few months later, a new measure, known as "the McCain Bill," suddenly appeared. By creating a bureaucratic maze from which only a fraction of the documents could emerge - only records that revealed no POW secrets - it turned the Truth Bill on its head. (See one example, at left, when the Pentagon cited McCain's bill in rejecting a FOIA request.) The McCain bill became law in 1991 and remains so today. So crushing to transparency are its provisions that it actually spells out for the Pentagon and other agencies several rationales, scenarios and justifications for not releasing any information at all - even about prisoners discovered alive in captivity. Later that year, the Senate Select Committee was created, where Kerry and McCain ultimately worked together to bury evidence.
McCain was also instrumental in amending the Missing Service Personnel Act, which had been strengthened in 1995 by POW advocates to include criminal penalties, saying: "Any government official who knowingly and willfully withholds from the file of a missing person any information relating to the disappearance or whereabouts and status of a missing person shall be fined as provided in Title 18 or imprisoned not more than one year or both." A year later, in a closed House-Senate conference on an unrelated military bill, McCain, at the behest of the Pentagon, attached a crippling amendment to the act, stripping out its only enforcement teeth, the criminal penalties, and reducing the obligations of commanders in the field to speedily search for missing men and to report the incidents to the Pentagon.
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McCain has insisted again and again that all the evidence - documents, witnesses, satellite photos, two Pentagon chiefs' sworn testimony, aborted rescue missions, ransom offers apparently scorned - has been woven together by unscrupulous deceivers to create an insidious and unpatriotic myth. He calls it the "bizarre rantings of the MIA hobbyists."
It goes on from there, talking about his regret for his confession as a "war criminal" under torture, and how the possibility exists that he's successfully blocked public access to it (the Pentagon holds the tapes) with his work in the Senate.
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Re: Could we please revisit McCain's PoW experience?
Go ahead, revisit it. I have no idea what happened but revisiting his PoW experience is going to get him votes not lose them; and less than 50 days out that's what matters.
Re: Could we please revisit McCain's PoW experience?
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Go ahead, revisit it. I have no idea what happened but revisiting his PoW experience is going to get him votes not lose them; and less than 50 days out that's what matters.
You just conceded that you have no idea what happened... Yet you're certain a story like this will get him votes? Cool... Well, nice of you to affectively exclude yourself from discussion regarding the veracity of these allegations.
The point is, the longer a thinking person holds McCain's war record up to the light, the more people realize his entire Vietman PoW, war hero platform doesn't really resemble reality at all. Sorta like Boy King's "legacy" of a fly boy who was "willing" to go to Vietnam.
Kinda pulls at the heart strings... For a minute... Until you look a little deeper and embrace the reality of the public record. But we all know the kind of person who never looks a little deeper. It's the same crowd that votes for the moron they'd rather have a beer with.
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Re: Could we please revisit McCain's PoW experience?
As far as his POW status goes and what happens, really do not care.. much of what has been written is not able to be corraberated.. it is what it is, an extreme situation... kinda like Kerry his service should have not been questioned or turned into a politcal football.. but it was not.. McCain's should not be either.. evokes too many emotions for too many people and really clouds the issues..
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Re: Could we please revisit McCain's PoW experience?
A little Bosstones there GJA? Good stuff, one of my favorite bands from back in the day.
PC I don't really think there's much here, I mean its not like McCain has acted alone in blocking these inquiries, he has been joined by people on both sides, many of which have nothing to hide and should be supportive of the measures if there was anything to them. The article points out how many people this includes:
"The Arizona Senator, now the Republican candidate for President, has actually been following the lead of every White House since Richard Nixon's and thus of every CIA director, Pentagon chief and national security advisor."
Also, the committee that he was a part of and is blamed in the article for blocking any progress wasn't chaired by him, but was chaired by John Kerry, who also doesn't find anything compelling. I mean, when you see all these administrations agreeing (including Carter and Clinton), when you see McCain and Kerry agreeing, it has to tell you that the evidence just doesn't pass muster, doesn't it? If it were a case of McCain standing alone to block access and everyone around him calling for a change then it would be a different story.
I'm not sure why you would call him a fraud, I mean it is a fact that he was a POW, that he gave up early release, and that he broke under torture (he even talked about it in his convention speech). What is fraudulent about that? He gives credit to the men he was imprisoned with for saving his life, he doesn't take the credit for himself.
Re: Could we please revisit McCain's PoW experience?
He's just another one of those uncourageous tools I guess.
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Re: Could we please revisit McCain's PoW experience?
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Originally Posted by PressCoverage
You just conceded that you have no idea what happened... Yet you're certain a story like this will get him votes? Cool... Well, nice of you to affectively exclude yourself from discussion regarding the veracity of these allegations.
The point is, the longer a thinking person holds McCain's war record up to the light, the more people realize his entire Vietman PoW, war hero platform doesn't really resemble reality at all. Sorta like Boy King's "legacy" of a fly boy who was "willing" to go to Vietnam.
Kinda pulls at the heart strings... For a minute... Until you look a little deeper and embrace the reality of the public record. But we all know the kind of person who never looks a little deeper. It's the same crowd that votes for the moron they'd rather have a beer with.
Dude, you really need to find another outlet. Your political hate has you tied up in knots. Look at that statement you just made that I bolded.
I mean that is really going off the map. This is not a personal attack. It's a reality call.
Close your eyes and visualize yourself in a jet plane and SAM's coming at you. Now visualize yourself having to eject into hostile territory. Now visualize yourself hitting the ground and having your bone snap. And now ther are hostile people beating you and kicking you where you bone has just snapped and dragging you on that bone.
Now, read your post that I bolded and ask yourself if there is something wrong.