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Old 09-06-2008, 09:24 PM   #1
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Oh ... thanks for the question ... I'm glad you asked.

It's not bake sales, PTA meetings, raffles, yard sales ... no that's a laymans version.

Obama's version is the political version.

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Obama-style community organizing is pure leftist, anti-capitalist agitation. It’s about that nebulous Marxist concept of ’social justice.’ It’s about making people angry so they push for change. The kind of change they seek is rarely good. It often artificially creates pressure for government spending on whatever project is fashionable in leftist circles that day. Filled with robust self-esteem, community organizers are typically professional revolutionaries who believe that something is terribly wrong with America and that they are the ones anointed to fix it.

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Alinsky taught his disciples to disguise their radical ideology. “Camouflage is key to Alinsky-style organizing. In organizing coalitions of black churches in Chicago, Obama caught flak for not attending church himself. He became an instant churchgoer,” notes Richard Lawrence Poe. According to Alinsky, an effective radical activist “discards the rhetoric that always says ‘pig’ ” when describing police officers, and uses other linguistic tricks in order, “to radicalize parts of the middle class.” Winning over the middle class is key, Alinsky argued, because “the power and the people are in the big middle-class majority.”

Take a look at Obama's organizing and the description fits. Also ... notice the last sentence of the second quote. Ah yes once again ... Obama is promising everything but the kitchen sink to the middle class. he promises this after he thinks they are pissed off enough from bashing the Bush economic policies ... that Joe'Bama guy ... he's been plotting this campaign from an old glass house. If Alinsky was so correct ... why hasn't there been an alinskyfication of the country.

BTW ... FBN was the 1st to mention old saul in here ... right PC?
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Old 09-06-2008, 09:27 PM   #2
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Old 09-06-2008, 09:31 PM   #3
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More Alinsky as pertains to the palin rumor parties:

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/ar...4228-1,00.html
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Alinsky's forces will not refrain from spreading rumors about an antagonist or indulging in something that comes very close to blackmail. "Our organizers," he says, "look for the wrong reasons to get the right things done." He has only contempt for liberals who appeal to the altruism of their opponents: "A liberal is the kind of guy who walks out of a room when the argument turns into a fight."
Wow ... did Obama eat this guys book or what?

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In order to succeed, Alinsky believes, a community organization must confront or conjure up an enemy of impressive stature
Obama has made the right the enemy as he tries to organize the biggest community organization ever.
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This article is a goldmine ... it describes Obama at his speeches like the one today to a "T".

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/ar...4228-2,00.html
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The gruff public harangue gives way to gentle, witty cajolery. The four-letter words that normally shock become almost terms of endearment. He compulsively seeks out companionship because he unabashedly likes people—all kinds of people, from waiters and airline stewardesses to journalists and even corporation presidents. Alinsky seems genuinely to enjoy life, as if he had discharged all residue of guilt and resentment in purposeful action. The notorious agitator begins to seem more like a secret philosopher whose model is Socrates rather than Lenin.
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Nevertheless, he must act as if he were utterly convinced of the righteousness of his cause. Only by so doing can he rally his supporters and intimidate the opposition
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Yet once a radical has achieved a position of power, insists Alinsky, he must negotiate on the basis of the world as it is: "Compromise is a noble word that sums up democracy." Alinsky claims to be doing nothing more un-American than following the precepts of the Founding Fathers.
Once again this is classic Obama ... http://www.time.com/time/magazine/ar...4228-3,00.html
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So far he has made the wrong attack choices. He's playing right into what the Reps want.

What should Obama be doing to combat Palin? I'm just curious.
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Despite his interest in helping the poor to help themselves, Alinsky believes that no durable reform is possible without the backing of at least a substantial portion of middle-class Americans. Today they are ripe, he feels, for his kind of power-oriented organization. They are squeezed by taxes and inflation, bewildered by the revolt of youth against everything they stand for. "Their fears and frustrations at their helplessness," says Alinsky, "amount to a political paranoia, which can demonize them to turn to the law of survival in the narrowest sense."
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/ar...4228-4,00.html

Wow .. did Alinsky script the Obama campaign or what?
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This article is a goldmine ... it describes Obama at his speeches like the one today to a "T".

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/ar...4228-2,00.html
Interesting.

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He upholds the public's right to good service in restaurants; to get attention, he will throw a glass on the floor or bellow insults at the waiter.
How much spit and god knows what has this man injested in his life.
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So far he has made the wrong attack choices. He's playing right into what the Reps want.

What should Obama be doing to combat Palin? I'm just curious.
He obviously has to throw the Alinsky playbook out. But to do that he has to run on his experience ... but he can't McCain took that away from him with the Sarah Palin selection.

If what I have read here is true he will go on to plan C and plan D. Plan C is already been launched as the campaign is going to go strong with women leaders from the democratic party making a push for him.

Plan D ... I could be wrong but this plan will be used at some point is to compare Biden to Palin. The problem here is that Obama's ego is so big i doubt he will do this. Remember this is the guy that could have been the slam dunk President by picking Hillary. He picked Biden because Biden is a good tough guy who does not threaten Obama's messiah status.

According to Alinsky the liberal masses are weak and will run ... i think the media is already doing this ... the bloggers will have to pull the train.
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Interesting.

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How much spit and god knows what has this man injested in his life.

he has tried this already ... but Obama is one of those guys that just does not sell that he is mad.
Rudy Giuliani also had this problem the other night. mcCain got the crowd worked up so much he pulled it off ... i was amazed ... mcCain is also not a guy who can pull off being mad ... he does not yell well. clinton was excellant at this ... he played the angry card the best i have ever seen after Reagan.
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