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Old 09-06-2008, 02:34 PM   #1
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I have my serious doubts that McCain can pull this off. The problem is this election is not Obama v. McCain...it's Obama v. Bush. McCain was given a terrible hand by the Bush Administration and it's just a difficult election year for Republicans. If McCain wins, then Obama will be back(guaranteed) in 2012 in which case Obama will win. Obama is going to be president either in 2009 or 2013. There is no way McCain wins and gets reelected. At least if we lose now we can focus on getting a better candidate ready for 2012. I'm not saying we should deliberately lose but I'm just being realistic. Romney I'd imagine would run but he's boring. Sarah Palin might be a good choice. Also, Bobby Jindal, who's another minority, may be a good pick if he can clean Louisiana up. Jeb Bush? i don't think the country will ever elect another Bush to the White House.
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Old 09-06-2008, 02:37 PM   #2
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I have my serious doubts that McCain can pull this off. The problem is this election is not Obama v. McCain...it's Obama v. Bush. McCain was given a terrible hand by the Bush Administration and it's just a difficult election year for Republicans. If McCain wins, then Obama will be back(guaranteed) in 2012 in which case Obama will win. Obama is going to be president either in 2009 or 2013. There is no way McCain wins and gets reelected. At least if we lose now we can focus on getting a better candidate ready for 2012. I'm not saying we should deliberately lose but I'm just being realistic. Romney I'd imagine would run but he's boring. Sarah Palin might be a good choice. Also, Bobby Jindal, who's another minority, may be a good pick if he can clean Louisiana up. Jeb Bush? i don't think the country will ever elect another Bush to the White House.
sure .... the Mayans did
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I have my serious doubts that McCain can pull this off. The problem is this election is not Obama v. McCain...it's Obama v. Bush. McCain was given a terrible hand by the Bush Administration and it's just a difficult election year for Republicans. If McCain wins, then Obama will be back(guaranteed) in 2012 in which case Obama will win. Obama is going to be president either in 2009 or 2013. There is no way McCain wins and gets reelected. At least if we lose now we can focus on getting a better candidate ready for 2012. I'm not saying we should deliberately lose but I'm just being realistic. Romney I'd imagine would run but he's boring. Sarah Palin might be a good choice. Also, Bobby Jindal, who's another minority, may be a good pick if he can clean Louisiana up. Jeb Bush? i don't think the country will ever elect another Bush to the White House.

POTUS has a double digit lead over the democrat congress. Conservatives are excited by Palin.


Hillary knows McCain has to win for her to have a chance....figure it out.
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POTUS has a double digit lead over the democrat congress. Conservatives are excited by Palin.


Hillary knows McCain has to win for her to have a chance....figure it out.
the whole concept of Palin is she is an outsider, a wildcard that won't get corrupted by washington, won't be swayed by lobbyists, that she'll clean up that mess.

for all the potential for different stuff, there is also risk she will fall flat on her face. same with obama to a lesser extent IMO because he wasn't buried in Alaska.

so do you go with the known commodity or take a rish behind door #2?
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POTUS has a double digit lead over the democrat congress. Conservatives are excited by Palin.


Hillary knows McCain has to win for her to have a chance....figure it out.
conservatives may be excited by palin but what about the rest of the country? even with palin, obama holds a 3 to 4 point lead in polls of likely voters. As for hillary, she's going nowhere after this year - her husband destroyed her political aspirations. mccain would have been far better off facing hillary this year.
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does anyone know who does the polls for the presidential race?
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I have my serious doubts that McCain can pull this off. The problem is this election is not Obama v. McCain...it's Obama v. Bush. McCain was given a terrible hand by the Bush Administration and it's just a difficult election year for Republicans. If McCain wins, then Obama will be back(guaranteed) in 2012 in which case Obama will win. Obama is going to be president either in 2009 or 2013. There is no way McCain wins and gets reelected. At least if we lose now we can focus on getting a better candidate ready for 2012. I'm not saying we should deliberately lose but I'm just being realistic. Romney I'd imagine would run but he's boring. Sarah Palin might be a good choice. Also, Bobby Jindal, who's another minority, may be a good pick if he can clean Louisiana up. Jeb Bush? i don't think the country will ever elect another Bush to the White House.
I never believed Bush would get reelected. The TV media is almost all left wing. With Fox being the obvious exception and MSNBC being outright socialist. So it always appears the Republicans aren't doing well if you watch CNN, CBS, NBC, ABC, PBS, Comedy Central.... Right now I predict on a Wednesday in Nov. this board will be flooded with threads that the voting system is corrupt. And they stole the election again.
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does anyone know who does the polls for the presidential race?
Americans on Super Tuesday.
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sure .... the Mayans did
The Mayans actually had several different calendars. They had different calendars for different things. Only one of them ended in 2012. And I think it was more of 2012 yeah that's enough for now.
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conservatives may be excited by palin but what about the rest of the country? even with palin, obama holds a 3 to 4 point lead in polls of likely voters. As for hillary, she's going nowhere after this year - her husband destroyed her political aspirations. mccain would have been far better off facing hillary this year.
Dukakis had 17 point lead following his convention. What's your point? I mean one poll literally has McCane ahead by 25 another has Obama ahead by about as much. It's all in how the poll is worded and who they question. Poll Emily's list and surprise surprise they're not voting for Palin.
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