Great convention for the GOP - New England Patriots Forums - PatsFans.com Patriots Fan Messageboard
NEWS
|
FORUM
|
PHOTOS
|
VIDEOS
|
FULL STATS DATABASE
|
PODCAST
|
RUMOR MILL
Get Social With PatsFans.com
Early Roster Projection
Ryan's Journey Started Early
POST DRAFT PODCAST

Go Back   New England Patriots Forums - PatsFans.com Patriots Fan Messageboard > Off Topic Forums > Political Discussion
Forgot Password? Join PatsFans.com!
Register Blogs FAQ Members List Calendar Arcade Mark Forums Read Chat Room

WELCOME TO OUR FORUM HERE AT PATSFANS.COM!
ARE YOU NEW HERE? NOT LOGGED IN? PLEASE TAKE A MOMENT TO REGISTER FOR AN ACCOUNT AND LOGIN TO REMOVE THIS WINDOW

Welcome to PatsFans.com. Do you have an account? If not - please take a moment to register for our forum and experience a much smoother experience with fewer ads, along with no longer having to see this notification window. Also learn about how you can receive a free Patriots T-Shirt from the Patriots Official ProShop by CLICKING HERE. Please enjoy your stay here, and Go Pats!

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 09-06-2008, 09:07 AM   #1
In the Starting Line-up
 
PonyExpress's Avatar
 

Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: ManchVegas!!
Posts: 4,646
Default Great convention for the GOP

McCain was tedious as usual but he just had to come across as dependable, genuine and not a war monger to make the sale. Palin did the heavy lifting, especially putting the spotlight on Obama's "community organizer" roots. IMO this was a hint at what the McCain team's negative strategy will be down the homestretch. An inquiry into Obama's "community organizing" role will bring his lifelong radical associations to the forefront.

I expect by early next week McCain will have the lead. This will be very hard for Obama to overcome, especially given the Bradley effect, which, while diminished from Wilder's days, is still probably substantial- maybe 5%. I'm not sure massive democrat voter fraud will be able to compensate. Alot of people claim they are undecided or voting for Obama so as not to incur the outrage of their liberal friends, while still privately leaning toward McCain and Palin.

For Obama to win he has to:

1. lower Palin's favorability:

This is becoming more difficult after his minions overplayed their hand, such as the muckrakers on this board. Most people won't believe bad things about her coming from sources that were demonstrably biased in the first few days after her announcement. My guess is Obama's team will decide her vulnerability lies in being a "religious extremist" and they will play this up. However, this invites contrasts with Obama's religion/religions, which will likely backfire unfavorably on him and J. Wright et.al.

Biden could accomplish much by embarrassing her in a debate. That will be hard to do on a personal level, because Palin is much more likeable than Biden who often comes off as a bullying blowhard. So the debate moderators will have to trip Palin up with policy minutiae at the debate. I have little doubt this will occur, but I am not sure it will matter if she handles herself with grace and charm and doesn't become excessively flustered.


2. Obama must impress in the debates. Obama must seem healthy, young and physycially and intellectually vigorous. The first few criteria will be easy for him. However, having listened to him frequently in his off the cuff statements, "intellectually vigorous" is not his strong suit. He tends to uhh and ahh and trip over his own words. It would be helpful if he could somehow get the questions beforehand, a possibility I am sure his campaign team will pursue.

McCain's main weakness is his decrepit appearance, and obvious age. Those problems are exacerbated when he delivers set speeches, a skill he has never mastered- to be kind. OTOH, he is an energetic extemporaneous speaker, comfortable in his own skin and able to sense and play to his environment.

3. Obama must fight off the attacks coming his way, which will be brutal.

One thing libs don't seem to grasp, is that their dirty pool with Palin merely exposes their own candidate to similar treatment, and he is much more vulnerable to this kind of attack. Palin has character witnesses, a clear biography and an all-Ameircan persona. We are going to learn more and more about Obama's radical associations as the campaign unfolds, and he will be on the defensive. K. Kilpatrick, Dr Al Mansour, Rev Wright, Farrakhan, Ayres are not the "usual suspects" you want trotted out as your campaign heads into the home stretch, especially in the rust belt.

I still feel Obama needs a game changer to win this election. McCain becoming ill in the next 2 months would help, highlighting Obama youth. Palin embarrassing herself at the debate is another. Biden "falling ill" and being replaced with Hillary is another possibility. Massive election fraud is another element that will help Obama, a strategy I am confident his campaign has been promoting given his ACORN roots.

Barring those "gamechangers" I think McCain will win comfortably.
PonyExpress is offline   Reply With Quote
DONATE TO PATSFANS.COM
RECEIVE A FREE PATS T-SHIRT AND SAVE 15% OFF WHEN YOU BUY FROM THE OFFICIAL PROSHOP!

Free T-Shirt & Save 15% Off!
Like Our Site? Please help support our site and server costs by DONATING TO PATSFANS.COM and receive a FREE PATRIOTS T-SHIRT and SAVE 15% off EVERY purchase you make from PatriotsProShop.com. You'll also receive added benefits to your account
including Removing All Ads During Your Experience Here At Our Forum.

NEEDED YEARLY SITE DONATIONS: 345 | CURRENT # OF SUBSCRIBED SUPPORTERS: 98

Updated 07/08/11

Help Us Reach Our Goal!

Old 09-06-2008, 09:22 AM   #2
B.O. = Fugazi
 
BelichickFan's Avatar
 

Join Date: Sep 2004
Posts: 30,556
Send a message via AIM to BelichickFan
Default Re: Great convention for the GOP

The biggest thing for me is that Palin and McCain both had more people watching than Obama. That doesn't mean they'll get more votes but I was worried that Obama had already won and the American people had tuned out the Republicans completely. Obviously that's not the case.

Now that Palin has excited the base, McCain can campaign to the center which is where he's most comfortable.

One thing McCain/Palin HAVE to do is not just talk about drilling and the price of gas but talk about the JOBS that massive drilling will create. Alternative energies are intriguing - and I want us to work on it - but drilling in ANWR (Palin will talk the old man into it), offshore plus coal, oil shale, etc, will create a lot of private sector jobs and McCain needs to explain this is a jobs issue in addition to a gas price issue.
BelichickFan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-06-2008, 09:22 AM   #3
Hall of Fame Poster
 
PatriotsReign's Avatar
 

Join Date: Jan 2007
Posts: 22,665
Default Re: Great convention for the GOP

I think what we need to do is take away the voting rights of all the "Bubbas" in this country....then it would be a race!
PatriotsReign is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-06-2008, 09:26 AM   #4
In the Starting Line-up
 
PatsFanInEaglesLand's Avatar
 

Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: Shillington, Pa
Posts: 3,511
My Mood: Cynical
Send a message via AIM to PatsFanInEaglesLand
Default Re: Great convention for the GOP

Quote:
Originally Posted by PatriotsReign View Post
I think what we need to do is take away the voting rights of all the "Bubbas" in this country....then it would be a race!
What about the "Niggas", do they still get to vote in your racist plan?
Or is racism against whites ok with you?
__________________

To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
PatsFanInEaglesLand is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-06-2008, 09:27 AM   #5
In the Starting Line-up
 
PonyExpress's Avatar
 

Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: ManchVegas!!
Posts: 4,646
Default Re: Great convention for the GOP

Quote:
Originally Posted by BelichickFan View Post
The biggest thing for me is that Palin and McCain both had more people watching than Obama. That doesn't mean they'll get more votes but I was worried that Obama had already won and the American people had tuned out the Republicans completely. Obviously that's not the case.

Now that Palin has excited the base, McCain can campaign to the center which is where he's most comfortable.

One thing McCain/Palin HAVE to do is not just talk about drilling and the price of gas but talk about the JOBS that massive drilling will create. Alternative energies are intriguing - and I want us to work on it - but drilling in ANWR (Palin will talk the old man into it), offshore plus coal, oil shale, etc, will create a lot of private sector jobs and McCain needs to explain this is a jobs issue in addition to a gas price issue.
Palin mentioned "American energy and American workers". stop the wealth transfer over seas. Keep American dollars at home. Keep the jobs in America. Middle class tax cuts. Low energy prices is a middle class tax cut as well. Cut the wasteful, bloated overreaching, arrogant federal bureaucracy.

I love the idea of the Repubs as the party of the middle class, the populist party, and showing the dems to be a party of eggheads and captive identity groups. Palin makes that possible, and that's the kind of party I feel most comfortable with.
PonyExpress is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-06-2008, 09:29 AM   #6
Look Up, It's Amazing
 
Harry Boy's Avatar
 

Join Date: Nov 2005
Posts: 33,851
Default Re: Great convention for the GOP

Quote:
Originally Posted by PatriotsReign View Post
I think what we need to do is take away the voting rights of all the "Bubbas" in this country....then it would be a race!
Typical liberal reaction, censor and eliminate anything and anybody that doesn't agree with the goofy hateful left wing agenda, the Pelosi Gang want to do the exact same thing with "talk radio" as you suggest doing to Bubba.

If they don't think liberal outlaw them, freedom is only for "liberals".....

__________________
Harry Boy (Genius)

In The Absence Of Law And Order Society Will Surely Destroy Itself
Harry Boy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-06-2008, 09:31 AM   #7
B.O. = Fugazi
 
BelichickFan's Avatar
 

Join Date: Sep 2004
Posts: 30,556
Send a message via AIM to BelichickFan
Default Re: Great convention for the GOP

Quote:
Originally Posted by PonyExpress View Post
Palin mentioned "American energy and American workers". stop the wealth transfer over seas. Keep American dollars at home. Keep the jobs in America. Middle class tax cuts. Low energy prices is a middle class tax cut as well. Cut the wasteful, bloated overreaching, arrogant federal bureaucracy.
She did - but I want them to say :

"Drilling in ANWR will create X number of jobs"
"Drilling offshore will create Y number of jobs"
"Drilling oil shale will create Z number of jobs"

Oil company jobs would be private sector and good paying jobs. It needs to be stated clearly, definitively and repeatedly.
BelichickFan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-06-2008, 09:31 AM   #8
Veteran Starter w/Big Long Term Deal
 

Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Central Mass
Posts: 8,342
Default Re: Great convention for the GOP

Quote:
Originally Posted by PatriotsReign View Post
I think what we need to do is take away the voting rights of all the "Bubbas" in this country....then it would be a race!
Quote:
Originally Posted by PatsFanInEaglesLand View Post
What about the "Niggas", do they still get to vote in your racist plan?
Or is racism against whites ok with you?
sad to see your posts. both are pretty offensive.
__________________
"There are two categories of superbowl participants that nobody remembers:

The team that lost the game and the team that only won one." Dwight White- Steelers
MrBigglesWorth is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-06-2008, 09:34 AM   #9
B.O. = Fugazi
 
BelichickFan's Avatar
 

Join Date: Sep 2004
Posts: 30,556
Send a message via AIM to BelichickFan
Default Re: Great convention for the GOP

Quote:
Originally Posted by MrBigglesWorth View Post
sad to see your posts. both are pretty offensive.
This started out as a great thread by Pony and quickly went downhill - WAY downhill.
BelichickFan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-06-2008, 09:34 AM   #10
Hall of Fame Poster
 
PatriotsReign's Avatar
 

Join Date: Jan 2007
Posts: 22,665
Default Re: Great convention for the GOP

Quote:
Originally Posted by PatsFanInEaglesLand View Post
What about the "Niggas", do they still get to vote in your racist plan?
Or is racism against whites ok with you?
Your class just keeps on shining there buddy.

Well, lets see...no black American has ever had any choice but to vote for a white man. You and people like you refuse to understand bigotry is all about who has the power. Whites and certainly no bubba's have EVER experienced bigotry or oppression of any kind. How can they when they are part of the 80% of the caucasian race that has run this country from the beginning.

Thankfully, it won't always be that way and will change over time as the white race continues to mix more & more with all the others. But that's gonna take time.

Yes, it's acceptable to say Bubba but never acceptable to say the "N" word no matter how you spell it.
PatriotsReign is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks

Thread Tools
Display Modes


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off




All times are GMT -5. The time now is 03:49 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2013, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Search Engine Optimization by vBSEO 3.6.0 PL2

© Copyright 2000-2012. PatsFans.com Is a Partner of USA TODAY Sports Digital Properties.
The opinions posted in this forum do not necessarily reflect the opinions of our staff at PatsFans.com or USA Today.
We are not affiliated with the New England Patriots™ or the NFL™. The Photo Used In the header was taken by Ian Logue.

This site is owned and operated by I&K Internet Design Enterprises, LLC