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Mrs.PatsFanInVa · 02-07-2013, 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by RI Patriots fan

BTW, I never said that police wouldn't protect anyone. I said that the courts have made it clear that the police do not have a duty to protect individuals. This is a fact.

How is it that you say the police do not have a duty to protect individual when the police officers in question were fired for "dereliction of duty," for failing to protect individuals?

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Socarras is only one of six officers caught neglecting their duties: after being followed and caught on surveillance video by Internal Affairs, two officers and a sergeant were fired and three were suspended without pay for dereliction of duty from the Miami Dade Police Department.

http://rt.com/usa/news/miami-police-...g-officer-583/

***DarrylS*** · 02-07-2013, 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by RI Patriots fan

But how does this help the non-responsive baby or the people who weren't protected by these police officers? They can't sue the police or receive any sort of remedy. They trusted the police to protect them and the police failed them.

You continue to seek the exception to the rule, however for the most part 99.999% of the time, the police respond as is their policy to do so.

You can't sue gun manufacturers either, so what??

Because these Miami police did not respond is an indicator of not much...

Hamar · 02-07-2013, 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by DarrylS

You continue to seek the exception to the rule, however for the most part 99.999% of the time, the police respond as is their policy to do so.

You can't sue gun manufacturers either, so what??

Because these Miami police did not respond is an indicator of not much...

Really? Lets see some proof, how about a link for that 99.999?

***DarrylS*** · 02-07-2013, 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Hamar

Really? Lets see some proof, how about a link for that 99.999?

Lets see there was an incident in Miami in 2010, since then none reported... just because you do not comprehend logic, does not mean that no one else does...

There are 240 million 911 calls in the US annually.. do the math.

Hamar · 02-07-2013, 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by DarrylS

Lets see there was an incident in Miami in 2010, since then none reported... just because you do not comprehend logic, does not mean that no one else does...

There are 240 million 911 calls in the US annually.. do the math.

So no link and no proof, sorry to hear that.

***DarrylS*** · 02-07-2013, 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Hamar

So no link and no proof, sorry to hear that.

No need to say you are sorry.. no apologies necessary. It is what it is, a fact.

But if you need it, here it is..

http://www.nena.org/?page=911Statistics

Hamar · 02-07-2013, 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by DarrylS

No need to say you are sorry.. no apologies necessary. It is what it is, a fact.

But if you need it, here it is..

9-1-1 Statistics - National Emergency Number Association

Once again I have to apologize, but those numbers are not for police response time they are just for 911 calls, plus none of those numbers are 99.999.

I just don't want to hold yourself to a standard that is less than what you expect from everyone else.

P.S. OMG, you are renting space in my brain. Just so you don't have to use your goto phrase

***DarrylS*** · 02-10-2013, 06:03 AM

The Parents testify at Sandy Hook....

Newtown Parents Speak Out - YouTube

RI Patriots fan · 02-10-2013, 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Mrs.PatsFanInVa

How is it that you say the police do not have a duty to protect individual when the police officers in question were fired for "dereliction of duty," for failing to protect individuals?

Entire Miami police squad fired after footage shows cops shopping, dining and kissing while ignoring 911 calls — RT

It's not what I say... it's what the courts say. So even though the police may lose their jobs for being negligent, you can't sue the police department and recover damages.

So basically you have no recourse against the police department.

Mrs.PatsFanInVa · 02-10-2013, 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by RI Patriots fan

It's not what I say... it's what the courts say. So even though the police may lose their jobs for being negligent, you can't sue the police department and recover damages.

So basically you have no recourse against the police department.

Other than knowing they'll be fired and won't do it again, of course.

You are taking a small part of what happens occasionally in a town/municipality and making it the entire basis for something else - which doesn't really stand up in the grand scheme of the way things work.

No system is foolproof - no hospital, no fire department, no government, no bank, no fast food joint, no legal system, no child care, no school, no web site, no police department. It does not mean the systems themselves do not work or that the great majority of people will not be taken care of correctly.

So the courts say we cannot sue the police department for an occasional failure - that's a terrible thing, I agree - but then again, the courts have also decreed that we cannot sue the gun manufacturers, either, should they occasionally fail - do you agree that's a terrible thing, too?