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Like I said, you're trying to create a false dichotomy about police never being reliable and always being reliable, owning a gun for self protection or always relying on the police.

Last I checked the police aren't stopping 99% of crime. And using your logic if it only snows 22 days a year on average in Boston, only paranoid people own shovels right?

PatsWSB47

Reliability? How reliable or unreliable they are has nothing to do with the case law. The decision is only being advanced for one reason and one reason only....to give the false impression we have to arm ourselves because the police don't have to protect us.....and since they don't have to, we better protect ourselves. The goal is to create impression that they aren't coming. They want to make people paranoid. Constantly pointing out they don't have to protect us forces us to point out that the do, every day regardless of what the court decision was. Can the effectiveness of police protection be improved, yes but that is an entirely different discussion.

Your Boston analogy would be more accurate if there was a decision in 1981 that said the city didn't have to plow the streets, yet they did anyway in every storm ever since then. Then have some snow shovel owner association that receives millions in donations every year from snow shovel manufactures constantly bring up that 1981 decision. Who's trying to use paranoia to advance their agenda?

RI Patriots fan

The people of Detroit are taking no prisoners.

Justifiable homicide in the city shot up 79 percent in 2011 from the previous year, as citizens in the long-suffering city armed themselves and took matters into their own hands. The local rate of self-defense killings now stands 2,200 percent above the national average.

The last time Brown, 73, called the Detroit police, they didn’t show up until the next day. So she applied for a permit to carry a handgun and says she’s prepared to use it against the young thugs who have taken over her neighborhood, burglarizing entire blocks, opening fire at will and terrorizing the elderly with impunity.

Average police response time for priority calls in the city, according to the latest data available, is 24 minutes.

“I don’t intend to be one of their victims,” said Brown, who has lived in Detroit since the late 1950s. “I’m planning on taking one out.


- The Daily

RI Patriots fan

Crime may be at near record-low levels, but it took cops an average of 9.1 minutes last year to respond to crimes in progress — the NYPD’s worst performance since Mayor Bloomberg took office in 2002.

Figures released yesterday as part of the semiannual Mayor’s Management Report showed police response times slowed by 42 seconds to 9.1 minutes in the 2012 fiscal year, which ended on June 30.


NYPD response to crime calls slows to 9.1 minutes - NYPOST.com



New figures show that (Nashville, TN) Metro's average response time for all calls jumped dramatically -- from 18.7 minutes in 2003 to more than 30 minutes last year.


Metro Police Response Time Worst In Years - NewsChannel5.com | Nashville News, Weather & Sports



Figures released this week by DPD (Denver) show that for the most urgent calls for service — such as kidnappings, domestic violence, hit-and-runs and assaults — the average response time for 2011 was 14.21 minutes.

But in recent months, that number has grown, sometimes by almost three minutes. In September of this year, from the time a 911 call was received to the time an officer arrived on scene, the average wait was over 17 minutes. In October it was 16.8 minutes.



Denver Police Response Time Slowing, Chief Calls It




The Boston Year-to-Date Response Time from Receipt
to Arrival for Priority-One 911 calls is 7.67
minutes, which is slightly higher (9.6%) than
the target response time of 7 minutes.


http://www.cityofboston.gov/Images_D...tcm3-21707.pdf




So sure, the police may decide to come and save your bacon. Just don't expect them to come anytime soon. BTW, try doing this test.....imagine someone is in your house and you're in your bedroom. You've called 911 and police are "on the way". Look at the clock and see how long 8 minutes feels and then tell me that you feel safe with only police "protection".

PatsWSB47

No one is saying that responsible gun owners who are responsible with their guns can't have them.

1228

Understanding that the police have a duty to the community, not to individuals, which means some individuals can and will be left unprotected, and those individuals will have no recourse. That has everything to do with case law. Only an idiot is incapable of realizing he/she could easily be the unlucky individual.

And since the police are obligated to provide adequate services to the community, their overall reliability will still be good. Which is why I pointed out before the discussion was being shifted from case law into police reliability, and I didn't understand why you keep bringing up red herrings like how many police die in the line of duty.

If you say so, because I have no idea who "they" are, let a lone how you know what "they" want. And again you're working with the faulty assumption that because the police provide adequate service the community, that individuals won't be left unprotected by police. They have been, they are, and they will be in the future. By ignoring that you're attempting to hide reality.

My analogy was in response to your rain/raincoat analogy.

You seem pretty paranoid to me if I'm being honest.

wistahpatsfan

Only an idiot would take an extremely rare case and apply it to ordinary, everyday circumstances. I hear that planes crash, so I think I'll drive to Europe just to be safe. Thats paranoia. How exactly is PatsWSB47 paranoid? Do you know what that means?

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DarrylS

Often times folks believe the exception rather than the rule to make their point, and nowhere is it more obvious than on gun threads.... hysteria rules.

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