Forked Thread: the cheating debate (from the Falcons thread)

[jcwfalcon]

Originally Posted by Bill B.

Off topic: I had to go to Georgia last year and I was staying in Buckhead. It was around the baseball playoffs so I went to a local bar to watch the Red Sox and also MNF. I don't know if it is the water or what, but you guys have some of the most beautiful women I have ever seen in one place. The place I was in was a mexican restaurant/dive and every girl I saw was gorgeous. I guess that is what they mean by Georgia peaches.

It has been said OFTEN that the Atlanta area has more "7's" (not Ookie Mexicos but women who are a 7 on a 1-10 scale) than any other place on the planet...period.

After being here for a long time I have to agree. You can find a place with more dropdead beautiful women (watch an FSU home game---more 9's than you can imagine; SoCal, Phoenix, Vegas, Miami) but I dont think you can go anywhere where there is more of an abundance of 'good looking/effable' women than Atlanta.

The good thing about a 7 is they are typically approachable for us average guys. 9's are beautiful to look at, but they usually would just as soon scoff at you as let you buy them a drink...much less end up taking them home.

A night out in Atlanta can produce good results!

FYI, another sleeper I have never been to, but its a must if you like college football and beautiful women...and bear with me, its obscure, is OXFORD, MISSISSIPPI for a home football game (Ole Miss). I dont know how. I dont know why. But I have had so many people tell me about their visit there and the abundance of beautiful women that I believe it wholeheartedly.

[Bill B.]

Originally Posted by Gunnails

At one time I was real upset about Spygate, in hindsight not so much, I now do not think the Pats were unique at what they were doing as far as filming and stealing signals.

I think the punishment was to harsh.

I am over it.

And Mangini did nothing wrong.

The year before the Patriots stopped the Jets from filming during the playoff game. The next year Mangini knew what they were doing and tried to stop them also. I don't think Mangini intended for the NFL to get involved. The whole situation just got blown up out of proportion.

[Gunnails]

Originally Posted by Bill B.

The year before the Patriots stopped the Jets from filming during the playoff game. The next year Mangini knew what they were doing and tried to stop them also. I don't think Mangini intended for the NFL to get involved. The whole situation just got blown up out of proportion.

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The entire Jet organization new about it, the situation did get blown up way farther then ever should of. Sad actually.

Mangini had nothing to do with it. He was busy with losing a game.

[Bill B.]

Originally Posted by jcwfalcon

A night out in Atlanta can produce good results!

Well, I'm married so I can just look. But my wife tells me "Look at them, memorize them, reference them later." My wife enjoyed me after I got back from Atlanta.

[PatsFanSince74]

Originally Posted by Bill B.

The Truth About Spygate: Punishing Success and Promoting Parity | Bleacher Report

Click the above link and read the article. While I don't agree with the premise that it was all about punishing the success of the Patriots, it is a well investigated report about spygate. It is a little long but worth the read. If you want to call the Patriots cheaters get the facts straight. Here are a few facts.

1. The league never said the Patriots cheated. The word "cheated" has been used by the media and fans of other teams.

2. ESPN falsely reported that the Patriots were taking the film in the first half half of a game and using them in the second half to interpret the defensive coaches signals. This is a logistical impossibility. Your trying to tell me that you can take a half hour of film, decipher which signal is true and which ones are decoys, match them up to defensive plays and come up with an offensive game plan to counter it all in the 15 minutes of halftime. I don't think so. And by the time the QB gets to the line and scans the defense the he has to audible on his own. The radio in the helmet is shut off when there is 10 seconds left to the play clock.

3. No where in the rules or bylaws of the NFL does it state that coaches signals cannot be filmed. This is biggest mistake that people make when trying to slam the Patriots.

4. The rule that New England supposedly broke has to do with camera placement. If they would have filmed from the stands there would be no problem.

5. I think that the reason that the Patriots were fined so heavily is that Herr Goodell was mad that they ignored a memo that the league office sent them. A memo that got the rule wrong. A memo should not trump the NFL rulebook. This is just my opinion.

6. The term "spygate" is inaccurate. Camera man was out in the open and the Patriots never hid the fact that they were filming.

7. The year before the Dolphins were caught using audio tape of Brady's audibles and used it to beat the Patriots. They even bragged about it afterward. Goodell said that was OK. Seems like a double standard.

There are other relevant facts out there, but if you read the Bleacher Report article and still want to call them cheaters then your just another hater.

I just wandered over here looking for a specific post and found your summary above. Thanks. That's as good as I've seen. My bottom line on Spygate is very similar, but I do usually say that BB bent the rules to gain a competitive advantage and that I have no problem with that; I'd rather have our coach be a guy who's doing everything he can to win. Lots of guys did it and he just got caught. I'm following the evolving Tannenbaum and Jets tampering case with great interest now, as I think THAT was real cheating.

[lostjumper]

Originally Posted by Bill B.

Well, I'm married so I can just look. But my wife tells me "Look at them, memorize them, reference them later." My wife enjoyed me after I got back from Atlanta.

You are a lucky man if your wife said that to you...

Oh, and thats an excellent summary of "spygate".