DaBruinz

If it is the "accuser's job" to find the proof when it comes to cheating, please show us "YOUR" proof. I don't mean the stuff you've read on the net. I don't mean the information that you've cherry-picked from other legitimate sources. I mean YOUR proof. Hmm.. That's right. YOU DON'T HAVE ANY. Why? Cause you are just some nimrod who is blinded by his own bias and refuses to see REALITY. Instead, you continue to live in your fantasy world where Breaking a rule is the same thing as cheating. ALL THE TIME. I have news for you. Its breaking the rules for a player to wear the wrong color socks. Tell me how that is cheating. Explain to me how it gives someone an unfair advantage.

PatsFan24

aw he is a vikings fan, no wonder he is so bitter

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JaxPats

I think you just nailed it! I'm wondering if he is in fact bitter that Randy had "Syd the Viking" here at the Denver game instead of him. At least Syd had class. He didn't seem to care about any of this BS "OR", what "allegedly" happened in the past.

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Hardboiled

Do you even read what you write?

As far as your link goes, that page is as uninformed as you are. Originally, the author thought that stealing signs was against the rules. He also didn't know that NFL teams have videotaping responsibilities.

NFL_Truth

And he was correct in that stealing signals is against the rules.

jmt57

Wrong - epically wrong. Congratulations, you just exposed yourself for your lack of knowledge on the subject.

Stealing signals is not against the rules.

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Doctor DDS

Here is the truth. Everyone steals signs or at least tries to. The Pats did tape signals for a number of years. They did it in broad daylight where everyone could see them. The camera was not hidden and it was done in front of thousands of fans. Some opposing coaches apparently even waved to the camera man. There was no stealth involved. If the Pats wanted to cheat why not just have hidden camera's in the visiting locker room at home games or in well placed areas in the stadium? Just have someone in the stands? The most plausible explanation as to why this never happened is that they truly did not think this was a big deal and that BB's explanation that he thought it was OK if not used in the same game is OK. They just used the information as another form of scouting and it did probably save time (thus the motivation to do it) The "they cheated crowd" wants this offense to mean that we were basically in the huddle and knew whatever signals were being called. They want us to believe that teams and coaches used the same signals every game and that not only could we determine which coaches signals were the real ones but then decipher the signals within seconds and relay them to our QB who would then change all the offensive plays. There is no evidence that we consistently scored more in 2nd half of games. There is no explanation as to why the leaked tapes were clearly spliced together (proving it was not used in "real time") no explanation why our team went on to set NFL records after no lopnger being able to "cheat" Everyone wants to sweep under the rug the Jimmy Johnson comments that he did it himself and that he stopped it due to little value (he's just not as obsessive as BB) I doubt every team does it because it truly is not a magic pill. This scandal is the same to me as "tampering" - we all know most teams do it with free agents. (this the 12:01 signings) None of us really care because all it does is speed the process up (same as taping) but of course this issue gets little to no play (nor should it) NFL Truth and other jealous fans are dying to excuse their teams ongoing failures and being able to pin this "scandal" on the Pats makes them feel better.

DaBruinz

WRONG. Stealing signals is not against the rules. Its considered part of the game.

jmt57

Okay, here goes with a response to the original post about “an outstanding job of analyzing the events of spygate” by a blogger that focuses on SEC sports. There are so many holes in this argument it’s difficult to list them all. The site blurs the line between facts, opinions, and speculations so often that I wonder if the author even knows what the differences are between them.

On the second link the author comments about the age of Rodney Harrison and Junior Seau, and the fact that Tom Brady was drafted in the sixth round. He opines that the only way possible for each of them to be successful was to have known the play that was coming. Next he writes about how the Patriots ‘can only screw so many people before it bites them on the backside, such as Deion Branch. I guess I missed the memo that only first round draft picks under the age of thirty who receive whatever contract demand they want are allowed to be successful in the NFL Thanks for that enlightening evidence of ‘cheating’.

The next link insinuates that Matt Estrella was hiding somewhere. Wrong again, Estrella was interviewed extensively by Roger Goodell. Just because he didn’t hold a press conference like Matt Walsh doesn’t mean it didn’t happen.

Then the author goes on to state that ‘Robert Kraft was one of the outspoken owners that recommended Roger Goodell.’ Incorrect again; Kraft pushed for somebody else and only backed Goodell at the very end of the process, in order to give the appearance of a united consensus to the choice of Goodell.

In the same link the author states as fact that ‘it would be easy to make halftime adjustments’ with the tape made during the first half. How that is possible to do in twelve minutes, with three different coaches sending in signals, and the possibility that signals are changed at halftime, is beyond me.

Next the author asks us to take a giant leap of faith by alleging that the Pats used an alternate radio frequency to circumvent the twenty-second cutoff. Not only is there no proof, but the author also claims that two national writers would soon (this was written in March) be exposing details of this practice. The fact that we have heard nothing about this since then certainly lessens the writer’s credibility even more.

Now the author goes on to give opinions and claim for them to be fact:
1. “Bill Belichick knowingly cheated” – wrong, he claimed that his interpretation of the rule was that it was okay to tape as long as you did not use that tape during that game.
2. “The NFL refused to seriously investigate the allegations” – it is my opinion that they investigated very seriously.
3. “The NFL destroyed the evidence” – with the insinuation that there was a cover up. A tape had already been leaked to FOX, and Goodell did not want more tapes made public that could possibly aid another team that would soon play the team that was taped.
4. “The NFL rules are … unclear” – yes, that’s right! Even though the author states elsewhere that the rules are very clear on this matter!

Next the author even admits that he doesn’t know the extent of the cheating, the amount of the advantage, or the impact – if any – on games. Despite that, he goes on to say that assuming guilt is a reasonable assumption and that Belichick should be banned and three super bowl wins should be forfeited. How one comes to that conclusion after the previous statements is beyond any rational logic.

To wrap up the column from this website that I had never heard of previously, the writer goes on to contradict himself about the lack of clarity on the NFL rules regarding video taping as well as his lack of knowledge about video taping by all NFL teams. He concludes with the oft-repeated phrases of ‘arrogance’ and contempt’ – once again, opinions not based on fact, but rather rhetoric to back up a pre-conceived notion. The article used by the original poster to open this thread does more to prove that many fans opinions about the Patriots gaining an unfair advantage are based more on wild speculation and bias than based on fact. I suggest you take a look at Fans For Accurate Media as well as ESPN’s apology – buried as deep as possible on their website - for the way they covered the Matt Walsh meeting with Roger Goodell.


The Patriots broke the rules. They were punished. End of story, time to stop beating that dead horse. The vast majority of NFL fans have let it go, as well as the media who benefited from the additional revenue with more page views and higher ratings. Perhaps it's time for you to let it go too.

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NFL_Truth

The author was correct. Belichick did knowingly cheat, the rules were clear, anyone especially him could understand them. If you chose to believe the word of a liar in regards to not using it during the game, fine. Although every answer might not come to light, your certain not to get honestly from the patriots.