Constructive defensive thread

[PATRIOTSFANINPA]

Originally Posted by RayClay

Would have been nice if Buffalo sat down Jackson and Spiller. Hopefully, teams in the future will take your advice, it will help our pass rush immensely.

It would not have mattered if Spiller and Jackson didn't play a down.....the receivers simply would have tossed 150 yards a piece in the air.

I have no idea of why you think Stevie Johnson and co. would have been stopped if Buffalo abandoned the run,even without using great RBs

Your more naive than I think

Use Spiller and Jackson in to block an already anemic pass rush and you can't stop Fitz from having even longer to pass to Chandler down the middle or the WRs

Are you that crazy to believe the secondary would control the game?,a secondary that is so bad simply can't slow down the pass even if they know its coming.

Sorry,but I disagree...I don't care if you have OJ Simpson and Walter Payton behind you,against the 2012 Pats its throw,throw,throw until the clock says Zero,zero,zero

This secondary cant stop an offense that relies mainly on the pass .....it's been proven time and time again,I have no idea what games you watch.

Fortunately,Brady puts up lots of points often,thus the team is 6-3 because of that.

[RayClay]

Originally Posted by PATRIOTSFANINPA

It would not have mattered if Spiller and Jackson didn't play a down.....the receivers simply would have tossed 150 yards a piece in the air.

I have no idea of why you think Stevie Johnson and co. would have been stopped if Buffalo abandoned the run,even without using great RBs

Your more naive than I think

Use Spiller and Jackson in to block an already anemic pass rush and you can't stop Fitz from having even longer to pass to Chandler down the middle or the WRs

Are you that crazy to believe the secondary would control the game?,a secondary that is so bad simply can't slow down the pass even if they know its coming.

Sorry,but I disagree...I don't care if you have OJ Simpson and Walter Payton behind you,against the 2012 Pats its throw,throw,throw until the clock says Zero,zero,zero

This secondary cant stop an offense that relies mainly on the pass .....it's been proven time and time again,I have no idea what games you watch.

Fortunately,Brady puts up lots of points often,thus the team is 6-3 because of that.

Really. Did you watch the game? Spiller averaged 7.8 yards a carry and that understated the impact he had on us. He was a danger to score any time he had the ball and it was obvious how he slowed down Jones as he tried to maintain contain. Jackson was ripping us right up the middle and Fitzpatrick cut loose when we didn't account for him.

I'm glad you took the time to offer a constructive way for us to improve, instead of just a knee jerk reaction to pile on the obvious.

[PATRIOTSFANINPA]

Originally Posted by RayClay

Really. Did you watch the game? Spiller averaged 7.8 yards a carry and that understated the impact he had on us. He was a danger to score any time he had the ball and it was obvious how he slowed down Jones as he tried to maintain contain. Jackson was ripping us right up the middle and Fitzpatrick cut loose when we didn't account for him.

I'm glad you took the time to offer a constructive way for us to improve, instead of just a knee jerk reaction to pile on the obvious.

If its obvious to you then there is no argument here.

Look....the team is what it is

This isn't a fairy tale movie or some fantasy game,this is reality,the defense is a sieve and even if Talib helps out it will remain a sieve until Belichick decides to put some proven SOLID veteran FA talent back there to help out with the young guys and maybe get lucky for once and pick up a stud DB in next years draft,Gregory is a scrub and is not a vet the team needs to turn it around,it needs a playmaker at DB to start and are going to have to open the pocketbook to do so


The improvement of this secondary begins with the offseason,you,I and all fans simply have to accept the crud we have on defense and hope that the offense can score tons of points a game to advance deep into the playoffs.

[RayClay]

Originally Posted by PATRIOTSFANINPA

If its obvious to you then there is no argument here.

Look....the team is what it is

This isn't a fairy tale movie or some fantasy game,this is reality,the defense is a sieve and even if Talib helps out it will remain a sieve until Belichick decides to put some proven SOLID veteran FA talent back there to help out with the young guys and maybe get lucky for once and pick up a stud DB in next years draft,Gregory is a scrub and is not a vet the team needs to turn it around,it needs a playmaker at DB to start and are going to have to open the pocketbook to do so


The improvement of this secondary begins with the offseason,you,I and all fans simply have to accept the crud we have on defense and hope that the offense can score tons of points a game to advance deep into the playoffs.

So you've given up on the season. Well good luck to you. This is the constructive thread, not the "we're doomed" thread. There are lots of those.

[Nunchucks]

Originally Posted by RayClay

Really. Did you watch the game? Spiller averaged 7.8 yards a carry and that understated the impact he had on us. He was a danger to score any time he had the ball and it was obvious how he slowed down Jones as he tried to maintain contain. Jackson was ripping us right up the middle and Fitzpatrick cut loose when we didn't account for him.

I'm glad you took the time to offer a constructive way for us to improve, instead of just a knee jerk reaction to pile on the obvious.

Better 7.9 yards a carry than what would happen if they threw the ball.

[PATRIOTSFANINPA]

Originally Posted by RayClay

So you've given up on the season. Well good luck to you. This is the constructive thread, not the "we're doomed" thread. There are lots of those.

I haven't given up on anything

As long as Brady has no bad games in the playoffs and puts up 30 points or more,the Pats will always have a good chance to win any game.

Put the clamps on Brady and force him to have a bad day and the party is over,this defense is not suited to win games on their own when Brady is off.

This isn't even arguable

[AndyJohnson]

Originally Posted by coolguy

"I don't see how coaching has much to do with it" How do you explain every corner back not watching the ball while it's in the air?
.

I would begin explaining it by pointing out it is not an accurate statement.

[AndyJohnson]

Originally Posted by PATRIOTSFANINPA

I haven't given up on anything

As long as Brady has no bad games in the playoffs and puts up 30 points or more,the Pats will always have a good chance to win any game.

Put the clamps on Brady and force him to have a bad day and the party is over,this defense is not suited to win games on their own when Brady is off.

This isn't even arguable

Well, since no other team is suited to win when you take away their best pieces, I guess this isn't such a relevant worry.

[AndyJohnson]

Originally Posted by PATRIOTSFANINPA

It would not have mattered if Spiller and Jackson didn't play a down.....the receivers simply would have tossed 150 yards a piece in the air.

I have no idea of why you think Stevie Johnson and co. would have been stopped if Buffalo abandoned the run,even without using great RBs

Your more naive than I think

Use Spiller and Jackson in to block an already anemic pass rush and you can't stop Fitz from having even longer to pass to Chandler down the middle or the WRs

Are you that crazy to believe the secondary would control the game?,a secondary that is so bad simply can't slow down the pass even if they know its coming.

Sorry,but I disagree...I don't care if you have OJ Simpson and Walter Payton behind you,against the 2012 Pats its throw,throw,throw until the clock says Zero,zero,zero

This secondary cant stop an offense that relies mainly on the pass .....it's been proven time and time again,I have no idea what games you watch.

Fortunately,Brady puts up lots of points often,thus the team is 6-3 because of that.

I vote for you to be hired as the coach of our biggest competition.

[PATRIOTSFANINPA]

Originally Posted by AndyJohnson

I vote for you to be hired as the coach of our biggest competition.

So if you were the HC of the opposition you wouldn't almost abandon the run and just throw all day on this secondary?

Do you really think this secondary can stop the majority of 40 or 50 passes to be completed from even the most average of QBs?

I swear that some of you clowns were sleeping in games when FitzPutrid and HOF QB Russell Wilson were slicing and dicing their way into the wide open receivers almost at will in the second halves of those games,hell even all world Mark Sanchez to all pro Jeremy Kerley looked like Montana to Rice earlier this year.

Be a homer if you will,but if you think an opposing offense that throws much more instead of running would not be successful in a high rate of completions,you might want to go back to sleep and finish that dream.

Clowns like you would laugh if your most hated team in the NFL had this secondary...lets not be hypocritical shall we?

All us fans here better hope that Talib is the second coming of Deion Sanders or Brady will need to continue putting up 30 or 40 every game to win.