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Old 10-23-2012, 07:02 PM   #1
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Default Is PATs zone coverage the problem?

I read something recently that indicated the PATs secondary was better
when playing man coverage.

So has the league found a way to beat the PATs zone coverage schemes?
We know Tom Brady loves a D playing zone against him. Maybe the other
D's have learned how to get receivers open on PATs zone coverage.

If so, Do PATs have the players to play man coverage more than they
do at present?
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Old 10-23-2012, 07:10 PM   #2
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Default Re: Is PATs zone coverage the problem?

Phil Sims gave this opinion during the telecast. Thus I would say it's a guess and likely not right!

It does make sense that players are more timid setting up in zones though, and thus less likely to make decisive reads.
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Willing to bet that Sam Bradford has his best statistical game of the season this Sunday, no doubt in my mind.

Why don't be design some blitz packages to atleast make the QB think quicker and make a quicker decision with the ball ?

Why don't we play more press-man, play more physical with the DBs?

Why do we continue to beat this soft zone Cover-2 scheme into oblivion by never changing and continually making mediocre QBs like Matt Flynn alot of future money.

Why doesn't BB change a defensive scheme that hasn't worked in the recent past, isn't working currently and will not work in the future?

I really don't know why, he's BB, it's almost like he's doing it out of spite now, just to piss everyone off.
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It's more personnel than scheme. Every shell has its pros and cons, but the cons will always be magnified with crappy players. The frustrating thing is that Cover 2 is supposed to prevent the big play but forces the opposition to dink and dunk more; but the Pats have been giving up both
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Willing to bet that Sam Bradford has his best statistical game of the season this Sunday, no doubt in my mind.

Why don't be design some blitz packages to atleast make the QB think quicker and make a quicker decision with the ball ?

Why don't we play more press-man, play more physical with the DBs?

Why do we continue to beat this soft zone Cover-2 scheme into oblivion by never changing and continually making mediocre QBs like Matt Flynn alot of future money.

Why doesn't BB change a defensive scheme that hasn't worked in the recent past, isn't working currently and will not work in the future?

I really don't know why, he's BB, it's almost like he's doing it out of spite now, just to piss everyone off.
I've thought this before, But then sometimes I think "BB is to smart for this". Like he's lulling everyone into thinking "This is who they are", but then WHAM come Dec he kicks into turbo and starts playing Man2man, TB jumps off the bench, ralling the troops....you know, like the Giants do
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It's more personnel than scheme. Every shell has its pros and cons, but the cons will always be magnified with crappy players. The frustrating thing is that Cover 2 is supposed to prevent the big play but forces the opposition to dink and dunk more; but the Pats have been giving up both
It's a combination of personnel and schematic fit. Devin McCourty did much better in zone coverage than in man. Ras-I Dowling appears much better suited for man coverage than for zone.

Personally I think the Pats would be better off with more physical CBs outside playing man coverage and with McCourty and Wilson at safety where they are more suited to a zone role. Steve Gregory seems more suited to a 3rd safety/rotational role than as a starter. I don't mean to malign Patrick Chung, who has made his share of plays for us, but his coverage liabilities just seem to make him the odd man out.
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It's a combination of personnel and schematic fit. Devin McCourty did much better in zone coverage than in man. Ras-I Dowling appears much better suited for man coverage than for zone.

Personally I think the Pats would be better off with more physical CBs outside playing man coverage and with McCourty and Wilson at safety where they are more suited to a zone role. Steve Gregory seems more suited to a 3rd safety/rotational role than as a starter. I don't mean to malign Patrick Chung, who has made his share of plays for us, but his coverage liabilities just seem to make him the odd man out.
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It's a combination of personnel and schematic fit. Devin McCourty did much better in zone coverage than in man. Ras-I Dowling appears much better suited for man coverage than for zone.

Personally I think the Pats would be better off with more physical CBs outside playing man coverage and with McCourty and Wilson at safety where they are more suited to a zone role. Steve Gregory seems more suited to a 3rd safety/rotational role than as a starter. I don't mean to malign Patrick Chung, who has made his share of plays for us, but his coverage liabilities just seem to make him the odd man out.
My thoughts are awfully similar, except that I'd use McCourty as the Cover 1 safety quite a bit, thus removing a lot of the SS's deep coverage responsibilities, in which case I'd prefer Chung over Wilson. That'd leave Wilson as the #3 and dime TE killer, leaving Gregory as the odd man out. But, depending on how good (or bad) Arrington is in the slot, I think Gregory at least deserves a shot there if he's not playing safety. Slot corner is where Gregory started his NFL career on defense.
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average corner backs and pass rush and bad safteys thats the problem
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