The Official B!tch about the secondary/pass coverage thread

[ctpatsfan77]

Originally Posted by PATRIOTSFANINPA

To put your game at risk by having too very raw and unproven rookies against a very solid WR and no pressure on the QB to boot is very embarrassing.

(A) Having Ebner and Wilson at S wasn't by design.
(B) You can't have veteran depth everywhere.

[bostonia3333]

It's the same garbage every year with this secondary. I hate how the Pats have been wasting Brady's prime years by fielding such a horrendous squad to protect 2-6 point leads. When was the last time this secondary made a game winning/saving defensive play? I remember in 2010 the James Sanders INT against Manning---can you think of any others after then?

Pay Ty Law 250K to be our secondary coach the rest of the way and we'll be in the Super Bowl. The talent isn't horrendous, but the coverage TECHNIQUES are the worst I've ever seen. It's worse than the late 90s/00s Lions

[ensoul]

Not much to say beside pats have the worst secondary in the nfl. If there was any doubt before this game there is no doubt now when a rookie throws a 50 yard bomb to a receiver who somehow got behind not only one defender but two defenders. If I was not a pats fan I may find this secondary tying to play defenses pure comedy.

[PATRIOTSFANINPA]

Originally Posted by ctpatsfan77

(A) Having Ebner and Wilson at S wasn't by design.
(B) You can't have veteran depth everywhere.

Never said it was by design,but the team has nothing in terms of veteran depth and this is what you got,two rookies out to try and protect a 6 point lead.....not very comforting

[celticboy04]

Greetings,
The key to teams beating the Patriots late in close games is this, when the Pats are on D is too just throw it. Even if the throw is horrendous or deep it will still work out for the opposing team. Either a pass interference will be thrown or the pass will be completed, and eventually a touchdown will be scored or a field goal made. It is not complex at all.
Celticboy04

[PATRIOTSFANINPA]

Originally Posted by DropKickFlutie

Disagree. The talent is there. They've spend high picks on the secondary for years. It's a secondary coaching issue.

Even back in 2007 when this secondary had talent like Asante and Rodney Harrison, the defense coughed up the lead in the big game bc the overall scheme is too vanilla. Since 2007 we've had good talent come in but they regress year after year because the coaching in the secondary is terrible. They need to bring in a legit secondary coach and fix key mistakes that have been happening every year.

The talent ISN'T there,it's obvious

If this were a thing every once in a while where the defense doesn't get destroyed consistently by the long pass then you could say the coaching wasn't very good for the game.....when your secondary sucks going on two consecutive years then there are players that are not very talented including Arrington,Chung and McCourty

IMO Only an fool believes that a new secondary coach would turn this secondary around....it's talent and technique and these guys simply don't have it on a regular basis.......they are simply not NFL quality.

I don't care who is coaching this garbage back there,if you put a nice new bouquet on top of a garbage bag filled with trash,it's still trash underneath.

The team needs to look for a solid veteran and leadership type of guy at S or CB in FA next season and get someone to play the game the way it needs to be played and help those around him look better....a.k.a Rodney Harrison was once one of those guys,we need another guy like him.

[Bobs My Uncle]

If Gay, Moreland and Troy can work as corners so too can these stiffs.

[mgteich]

Dante has developed players like Neal, Connolly, Wendell, Thomas, Cannon (work in progress) and others. The secondary coaches have developed Arrington and Moore.

We seem to need
1) better scouting of college defensive players
2) better evaluation of draft prospects
3) better coaching of the secondary
4) a moe active role by the DC and the coach when there are problems

McCourty, Dowling, Chung and Wilson are top draft choices. Gregory is an experienced veteran. This should be a decent base for a secondary if the players were evaluated and developed well.

We should be doing better.

We are getting OK value from our UDFA's and low draft cholces: Arrington, Dennard, and Moore. I don't think the issue is the play of the backup corners.

The buck stops with Belichick. He certainly has the ability to hire and fire. He could add coaches. And more importantly, he and the DC could step in and help out. He and the DC could work to develop better coaching of the secondary.
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The BOTTOM LINE is that better play by Brady or the special teams could have won the game. HOWEVER, even if we were 5-1 at this point, we would still ahve the same glaring problem we've had for several years. And to think that we used to complain about Samuel and Hobbs.

Originally Posted by KontradictioN

No. The talent simply isn't there.

[ATippett56]

One should consider trying to rebuild the New England Patriots defensive secondary utilizing the following as the foundation:

Rookie Cornerbacks

Dennard

Rookie Safeties

Wilson
Ebner (special teams)

Veteran Cornerbacks

Cole (special teams)

With cornerbacks Arrington, Dowling, McCourty, Moore; one could retain McCourty as a starting cornerback with Moore as the nickel cornerback during the interim.

With safeties Chung, Gregory; one should consider the alternatives (i.e., the 2013 NFL Draft).

[ATippett56]

Originally Posted by mgteich

The BOTTOM LINE is that better play by Brady or the special teams could have won the game. HOWEVER, even if we were 5-1 at this point, we would still ahve the same glaring problem we've had for several years. And to think that we used to complain about Samuel and Hobbs.

Yet the New England Patriots are 3-3. Now that you mention Hobbs and Samuel, this season seems eerily familiar to 2005.