The Official B!tch about the secondary/pass coverage thread

[borg]

Since most seem to regress....I vote coaching

[PATSYLICIOUS]

Originally Posted by JJDChE

It seems like coaching since they have the same problems no matter who they throw out there.

I'd say both. If it was purely coaching, wouldn't guys like Merriweather, Butler, Wilhite have had more success on their new teams?

[neuronet]

It is truly embarassing to watch games with people who don't like the Patriots. When we got it, ahead by 6, with around 3 minutes to go, I knew we were going to lose.

When we are ahead by fewer than 7, and get the ball with 3-4 minutes, we lose. We do the following:
a) Go 3 and out because of horrible play calling and execution.
b) Give up ridiculous pass plays on double covered players.
c) Give up a touchdown.
d) Lose

It's almost like watching a car crash you know is about to happen, you want to look away but cannot do it.

[Cassanova792]

It's the vanilla scheme they have been running since Mangini left. When he left our philosophy changed and thus in the course of 5 years have had tremendous secondary issues no matter who we draft! We need to downgrade Patricia to Linebacker coach and hire a competent defensive coach to get more exotic schemes and looks to cover up our patchy secondary. Right now any QB can read our defense with ease and thus why the Russell Wilsons of the world can torch us.

[aluminum seats]

When there is no penalty for failure, failure proliferates.

Fire Josh Boyer.

[Cassanova792]

Even if our secondary was made up of all Revis's, we would still get torched especially if QB's know what to look for in your coverage.

[parthasas]

time to bring some fresh minds from outside. promoting from with in has done jack squat so far.

the big question is, wil BB's ego allow that ??

[Franchise12]

The problem with the secondary is the coaches teach the DB's to play the hands of the receivers, not the football. Belichick admitted this on WEEI last week.

Most coaches teach their DB's to locate the ball when your in the receivers hip pocket.

The patriots get pass interference penalties because qbs slightly underthrow the deep ball, consequently the reciever slows down or stops and go vertical to make a play on the ball. a db playing the hands of the reciever and not the ball runs into the reciever making the play on the ball.

the problem with this team is not lack of talent. Its coaching.

darius butler in his first year turned his head and made plays on the football. a year later he's a bust

devin mccourty in year 1 stuck to recievers hip pocket and located the football in the air. now hes nearing bust territory.

the patriots need to re evaluate their strategy for the secondary. the techniques they teach to the corners leads to the regression of promising talent like mccourty and butler.

if the techniques dont work switch it up

[supafly]

I don't know, but it's the obvious problem that may likely hold this team back from fulfilling its potential destiny.

The talent is just not there, at least at this point. One of the things that many were excited about was the potential to change things up with some players, but even then, we just don't have the horses to run with many of the better secondaries in the league.

Imagine what some of the bigger, more physical CB's and S's could do on this team?

We have many of the bases covered, but the pass defense seems to always be our downfall.

Something needs to be done immediately, or we'll be basing the rest of the season and playoff potential on blind luck again.

It's frustrating to see so many guys like Welker, Brady, Woodhead, Llyod, Hernandez, Gronkowski, Wilfork, Spikes, Mayo, Jones, etc, etc, etc play their hearts out every single week--only to be held back from achieving their potential by the obvious weakness of the pass defense.

It's almost like the CB/S positions try and tackle/wrap up the WR target, instead of attempting to play the ball or knock it away...and that's IF defensive pass interference is not called first.

[SoCal Pmen]

Originally Posted by parthasas

time to bring some fresh minds from outside. promoting from with in has done jack squat so far.

the big question is, wil BB's ego allow that ??

Wasn't Dom Capers the secondary coach one year?