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Old 10-15-2012, 06:50 PM   #211
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Our secondary sucks. Yes it does. But what can the Pats do to fix that? We are going to have to make corrections with the personnel we currently have because I don't see any team in the NFL willing to help improve our defense for draft picks.
1. Improve the DB scouting reports.
2. Change the technique for DB coaching.
3. Change the DB scheme.
4. Bring in highly rated secondary or defensive coaching.
5. PAY THE APPROPRIATE FREE AGENTS.

They're all options available to the Patriots.
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Quentin Jammer,Sam Shields or Brent Grimes would be nice vets to add next year for help in the secondary
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Quentin Jammer,Sam Shields or Brent Grimes would be nice vets to add next year for help in the secondary
Some good safeties will be available too.

Even though he wasn't the greatest tackler for the Jets - Kerry Rhodes would be a good pickup, he's improved a ton in Arizona and is good in coverage.

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And my grunting about the secondary after this game is much more about the coaching and situational football.

Forget everything up to the end of the game.
There's one minute left.
The other team has to score.

You put a defense in position to, number one, prevent the long pass.
You field a defense with that in mind.
You tell them, don't let anyone get behind you.
You call a defensive set that takes away the long pass.

Instead, they put Ebner in at safety. We know McCourty was called into the safety position last year when Ihedigbo and Brown struggled. We know Sterling Moore has played safety. Instead, it's another ST type, highly inexperienced rookie.

They could have had Dowling or Moore. Or Arrington. I don't care if they struggled earlier in the game. If you asked me who I would rather have on hail Mary protection, any of those corners would have been higher on the list than Ebner. This is a situation where you might even want a receiver deep in the secondary, like they used to use Moss (although granted Lloyd was on the bench injured), Brown, or Edelman.

We know the Patriots have worked on a big nickel package, but they went with the base defense.

Then the safeties bit on the run action while the corners passed the receivers off to the safeties and covered the intermediate zone.

The coaching on that play was explicitly: stop the run and short pass first. Let them try to go deep if they want. But every Patriots defender went short. With a minute left, give them the short run. Give them the middle of the field. Make the QB nervous just managing a 45 yard drive in a minute.

That was a rare failure of coaching. The defense had the wrong personnel for the situation. The defensive play call, with the corners passing off the receivers, was wrong. The reaction, with the safeties playing the run first when the corners were passing off the downfield receivers, was wrong.

I don't know exactly where the blame rests between wrong package, wrong call, and wrong reaction. But two of the three are directly coaching decisions, and the third should have been the sole coaching point of emphasis.
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Some good safeties will be available too.

Even though he wasn't the greatest tackler for the Jets - Kerry Rhodes would be a good pickup, he's improved a ton in Arizona and is good in coverage.
At safety,Jairus Byrd would be my choice,Ed Reed might retire and Revis isn't leaving NY

Kenny Phillips might be another I would look at

As far as corner goes,I don't see the Chargers resigning Jammer at 33 years old but Bill loves those older vets who have a little left in thier tank.

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Quentin Jammer,Sam Shields or Brent Grimes would be nice vets to add next year for help in the secondary
Brent Grimes tore his achilles tendon.
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Brent Grimes tore his achilles tendon.
Yeah,he's had injuries but he's young....at 24 he might be a quick healer.

I think the Falcons might let him go,he does have talent for an UDFA

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This isn't a case of not being able to fire 53 players, so you fire the coach. This is an assistant. You don't fire them because the players they're trying to coach are a bunch of stiffs. Firing an assistant who's not doing a bad job doesn't show accountability. It shows scapegoating. It's just "fire the offensive coordinator!" on a lower level.

In other words, it's really, really, really stupid.
Correct. Boyer teaches what bb teaches him to teach. There is no grounds for firing him. Only thing to do is for Kraft/bb to hire a seasoned defensive assistant that has a fresh perspective (and listen to him)
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At safety,Jairus Byrd would be my choice,Ed Reed might retire and Revis isn't leaving NY

Kenny Phillips might be another I would look at
Safeties that would be worth a looks:
Ed Reed (likely retire or stay in Baltimore)
Kenny Phillips
Dashon Goldson
Jairus Byrd
Kerry Rhodes
Ryan Mundy

Corners worth looking at:
Marcus Trufant
Quentin Jammer
Brent Grimes
Chris Houston
Mike Jenkins
Tracy Porter

and CB/S...Charles Woodson.

Didn't put Revis because he would cost too much/NYJetscap still has him as a Jets player next season.
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