The Official B!tch about the secondary/pass coverage thread

[ATippett56]

Originally Posted by BradyFTW!

What we know about Dowling:

Between preseason and today, he's been passed by the following players on the depth chart:

1) Arrington
2) Moore
3) Dennard

Based on that, I'm going to go ahead and assume that we wouldn't like the result if we saw what he can do out there.

Dowling may never reach his potential in the NFL after last season's hip surgery.

[aluminum seats]

Originally Posted by Deus Irae

I've already noted my reasoning, and the post count thing isn't helping your case any, particularly given that you've got more posts in this thread than I do.

Look, I'm sorry that you don't have any rational justification for your position. I really am. It would be great if we could identify the exact problem and fix it as easily as just hiring one coach.

Unfortunately, nothing you've offered demonstrates that to be the case.

Again.....

Lay out an actual, well-reasoned case why the ongoing suckiness of the secondary is not a result of the coaching. Include in your presentation specific details as to why several Pats' players in the secondary (such as, but not limited to, Eugene Wilson, Devin McCourty) began their Patriots careers with noticeable success before regressing. Also, detail what actions and/or characteristics of the current secondary coach are helping the Patriots be a better team.

Until you do that, I'm afraid we'll have to assume that you're just--what was that phrase again?--talking out of your ass.

[PatsFan2]

Originally Posted by BradyFTW!

What we know about Dowling:

Between preseason and today, he's been passed by the following players on the depth chart:

1) Arrington
2) Moore
3) Dennard

Based on that, I'm going to go ahead and assume that we wouldn't like the result if we saw what he can do out there.

BFTW could you please put Dennard's name first from now on...everytime i see Arrington's name i feel numb.

[BradyFTW!]

Originally Posted by ATippett56

Dowling may never reach his potential in the NFL after last season's hip surgery.

That would be my guess. Hip injuries are no joke; anytime that I hear a player has even a 'minor' one, I start worrying. Fingers crossed for Gronk.

[rojo8401]

Ellis Hobbs, Asante Samuel, Eugene Wilson, Randall Gay, Darius Butler, Brandon Meriweather, James Sanders, Terrence Wheatley all went on to play for other teams with mostly good results.

The Pats can't draft receivers but they do ok with their DBs. The regression appears to be a scheme/coaching issue to me. I could be wrong but the evidence points this way.

NITPICKER NOTES: 1. Hobbs retired due to injury 2. Butler is playing for the Colts as their nickel (albeit due to injuries) 3. Wheatley is a bum (although still employed in the NFL).

[BadMoFo]

Originally Posted by BradyFTW!

What we know about Dowling:

Between preseason and today, he's been passed by the following players on the depth chart:

1) Arrington
2) Moore
3) Dennard

Based on that, I'm going to go ahead and assume that we wouldn't like the result if we saw what he can do out there.

I don't know how it can get any worse.

[JMarr]

Spending so many high draft picks on busts at CB for so long has hurt us more than anything the last few years. Not sure whose fault that is.

And if you choose to draft only ONE safety over a four year period prior to 2012, that guy better damn well pan out, especially if you're prone to releasing your two long-time starting safeties on the eve of the 2011 season. You cant predict injuries, but the Chung pick is looking pretty horrible right now.

[Big-T]

Even though he's a rat, the 2000-2004 Eric Mangini coached secondary wasn't bad so he should be under consideration at least to come back in a DB coaches capacity.

It's also worth mentioning he's coached a couple elite CBs in his time too.

[rojo8401]

Originally Posted by JMarr

Spending so many high draft picks on busts at CB for so long has hurt us more than anything the last few years. Not sure whose fault that is.

And if you choose to draft only ONE safety over a four year period prior to 2012, that guy better damn well pan out, especially if you're prone to releasing your two long-time starting safeties on the eve of the 2011 season. You cant predict injuries, but the Chung pick is looking pretty horrible right now.

Chris Canty was the only high draft pick at the position (that I can recall) that was a bust and that was a Petey Pick. Unless you count Wheatley and Wilhite but they both went on to play for other teams.

Chung is waaay too early to call but I think he's far from a bust right now.

Correct me if I'm wrong here...

[aluminum seats]

Originally Posted by Big-T

Even though he's a rat, the 2000-2004 Eric Mangini coached secondary wasn't bad so he should be under consideration at least to come back in a DB coaches capacity.

It's also worth mentioning he's coached a couple elite CBs in his time too.

He was an excellent secondary coach--the difference here would be dramatic if he was coach.

Unfortunately, his transgression was too great to mend those fences, I think.