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Old 10-09-2012, 10:06 AM   #91
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The next three games are against three pathetic passing offenses

Seattle 32nd 163 YPG
Jets 28th 210 YPG
St Louis 29th 204 YPG

I hope\expect the passing numbers to improve during this three game stretch but really they need to be able to shut this level of competition down while still being able to stop the run.

If you're one of these teams I would chuck it deep off of play action early and often.
You just know the secondary will perform adequately against this three horrible passing offenses, and we'll have a lot of people coming here saying the doubters should be eating crow, and that this is a very good defensive unit.
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Old 10-09-2012, 10:08 AM   #92
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Belichick was specifically asked about corners turning around to play the ball on WEEI yesterday. .......
Defensive backs & turning for ball - New England Patriots Blog - ESPN Boston
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Q: On the pass interference calls when it doesn’t look like McCourty is turning his head back to look at the ball, do you believe that’s why the officials are throwing those flags?

A: What the rule is, is that if you’re looking at the ball and there is contact, it’s not a foul, unless you’re grabbing the guy or obviously flagrantly doing something. If you’re not looking at the ball, and there is contact, then it is a foul. The rule is pretty cut and dried.

Q: It seems to have happened a few times with McCourty. Is that something? It seems like he’s stride for stride with his guy, hip to hip, and then he just doesn’t turn on it. There have been some negative plays. Is that something he has to do right now – turn on that ball?

A: Well, you have to be careful. It’s fine if the ball is in the air and you turn. That’s great. But if the ball is not in the air, and you turn, and then the receiver sees you turn and goes in the other direction and uncovers, then you don’t have the guy covered. It’s a technique thing. There are different situations that the right thing to do sometimes is to look for the ball and sometimes it isn’t to look for the ball.

Q: How do you guys teach it?

A: There’s a lot of different situations. We talk about those. It isn’t about looking or not looking for the ball. If you don’t look at the ball, then you have to play the receiver’s hands and knock the ball out when the receiver tries to catch it. If you’re looking at the ball, then you play the ball -- and hopefully the ball is in the air when you look at it. Because if you’re looking at it and the ball isn’t in the air, a good receiver will just uncover. As soon as you turn your back on him, he just goes in the other direction.
This BB Q&A should be stickyed for future reference. Most of us have no experience related to defending NFL receivers. This Q&A gives a great insight to the issues involved.

I just wonder if there isn't a way to communicate that the ball is in the air or about to be in the air.
If the CB has to keep his back to ball how do they teach playing the hands?

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I don't like being called a McCourty Hater, because I am not, but I do think the guy is not "all that." I don't know or care what the technique is. I can see with my own eyes that he does not get his head around to see the ball enough so that he either gets too many completions against him, or too many PI calls because at the last second he realizes that the ball is coming and he grabs or pushes his guy. Other teams see it too - they are constantly throwing on him. Why are we haters if we point out what we see on the field? He deserved whatever flags he got the other day and though I can't recall specifics, I thought he got away with one or two more. For whatever reason, he's just not that good, at least consistently. When he does get his head around he's pretty good at picking it off, but it doesn't happen often enough. If it did, other teams wouldn't throw on him so much. They'd stay away. But they don't. They're willing to risk an INT for the more likely outcome of a big completion or a PI call.
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I don't like being called a McCourty Hater, because I am not, but I do think the guy is not "all that." I don't know or care what the technique is. I can see with my own eyes that he does not get his head around to see the ball enough so that he either gets too many completions against him, or too many PI calls because at the last second he realizes that the ball is coming and he grabs or pushes his guy. Other teams see it too - they are constantly throwing on him. Why are we haters if we point out what we see on the field? He deserved whatever flags he got the other day and though I can't recall specifics, I thought he got away with one or two more. For whatever reason, he's just not that good, at least consistently. When he does get his head around he's pretty good at picking it off, but it doesn't happen often enough. If it did, other teams wouldn't throw on him so much. They'd stay away. But they don't. They're willing to risk an INT for the more likely outcome of a big completion or a PI call.
LOL That's a big problem around here. Just understand, even if you had talent you wouldn't last long on a BB team. Talent is meaningless if it won't accept coaching. That's why guys like Meriweather get cut. Even Ty Law had to learn to adapt his style and talent and do it Bill's way, because unless everyone does the units are talent limited. Asante's not here because he guessed wrong too often and it was costlier when he did that than beneficial when guessed right.
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I don't like being called a McCourty Hater, because I am not, but I do think the guy is not "all that." I don't know or care what the technique is. I can see with my own eyes that he does not get his head around to see the ball enough so that he either gets too many completions against him, or too many PI calls because at the last second he realizes that the ball is coming and he grabs or pushes his guy. Other teams see it too - they are constantly throwing on him. Why are we haters if we point out what we see on the field? He deserved whatever flags he got the other day and though I can't recall specifics, I thought he got away with one or two more. For whatever reason, he's just not that good, at least consistently. When he does get his head around he's pretty good at picking it off, but it doesn't happen often enough. If it did, other teams wouldn't throw on him so much. They'd stay away. But they don't. They're willing to risk an INT for the more likely outcome of a big completion or a PI call.
This post just has far too much common sense in it.

Seriously, I co-sign pretty much all of it. First, spare me the "hater" talk, which sounds like we're a bunch of ignorant teenagers. Second, my thoughts on McCourty are simply based on what I see--and it's not so good, certainly not when it matters. I hope that changes, but I'm increasingly becoming sure Belichick has to make a coaching change.
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I don't like being called a McCourty Hater, because I am not, but I do think the guy is not "all that." I don't know or care what the technique is. I can see with my own eyes that he does not get his head around to see the ball enough so that he either gets too many completions against him, or too many PI calls because at the last second he realizes that the ball is coming and he grabs or pushes his guy. Other teams see it too - they are constantly throwing on him. Why are we haters if we point out what we see on the field? He deserved whatever flags he got the other day and though I can't recall specifics, I thought he got away with one or two more. For whatever reason, he's just not that good, at least consistently. When he does get his head around he's pretty good at picking it off, but it doesn't happen often enough. If it did, other teams wouldn't throw on him so much. They'd stay away. But they don't. They're willing to risk an INT for the more likely outcome of a big completion or a PI call.
PatsDeb, it is probably NOT Devin you should have problems with. The first year here he was turning his head and did well. Now with a few years of coaching he is having problems.

You say you don't "care what the technique is " but then you complain about Devin not turning his head.
Guess what? That is technique you are complaining about.

So you really need to Read what BB and his staff is coaching Devin to do. (see above post on BB Q & A)
BB is happy with Devin because he is doing what he has been coached to do. Maybe it is BB and the coaching staff you need to complain about.
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Asante's not here because he guessed wrong too often and it was costlier when he did that than beneficial when guessed right.
This is LOL. Asante is not here because he wanted more money than BB was willing to pay and the Eagles were.

On McCourty - I don't mind if he gets beat on a perfectly thrown ball. If a QB can throw the ball 25 or 30 yards accurately hitting the WR's hands on full stride, all you can do is tip your cap to that guy and say great play. But how often does that happen?

What's annoying is that many times QB's will underthrow a receiver (sometimes on purpose) and when DM is not looking for the ball that's when he runs into the receiver and practically tackles him. Just like what happened in the PI he got on Thomas.

Those kinds of plays can be avoided just by looking back at the ball. Perhaps this isn't just McCourty's fault. Maybe the safeties can let him know when the ball's in the air. But whatever it is, I'm sure BB is not thrilled that all these PI's are happening and he certainly isn't coaching his DB's to do that.
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This is LOL. Asante is not here because he wanted more money than BB was willing to pay and the Eagles were.

On McCourty - I don't mind if he gets beat on a perfectly thrown ball. If a QB can throw the ball 25 or 30 yards accurately hitting the WR's hands on full stride, all you can do is tip your cap to that guy and say great play. But how often does that happen?

What's annoying is that many times QB's will underthrow a receiver (sometimes on purpose) and when DM is not looking for the ball that's when he runs into the receiver and practically tackles him. Just like what happened in the PI he got on Thomas.

Those kinds of plays can be avoided just by looking back at the ball. Perhaps this isn't just McCourty's fault. Maybe the safeties can let him know when the ball's in the air. But whatever it is, I'm sure BB is not thrilled that all these PI's are happening and he certainly isn't coaching his DB's to do that.
It would seem he isn't as upset as the fan base is and he is in fact coaching them to err on the side of caution. Spot fouls don't always lead to TD's - Ernie probably has reams of data on that - whereas blown assignments and coverages often do.
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I don't care where I'm suppose to stick it.

Mccortey is the biggest ham and egg on that team. I can't believe we wasted a first round pick on this clown. ZERO ability to turn to the ball, and crappy tackling effort.

Get rid of him!
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Talent is meaningless if it won't accept coaching.
Well, in the case of the Pats' secondary, it would appear they're better off not listening to Boyer.
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