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Old 09-17-2012, 08:20 AM   #41
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The final sequence was probably the worst management I've seen in BB's time here. Being that passive goes completely against what I've admired him for.

As for the whole game who knows. I did think the defense was brilliant so he has to get some credit for that. It may have been JMD's worst game though.
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Old 09-17-2012, 08:28 AM   #42
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I thought a lot of the play calling was questionable (pitch to Woodhead on 3rd down to knowck us out of field goal range really stands out here) but at the end of the day it was the lack of execution and that's on the palyers.

-Welker dropped a pass for a first down which immediately led to a blocked punt

-poor blocking on said punt

-Brady throwing a pass without a clear lane on the first play leading to an INT

-Lloyd dropping a ball that hit him in the chest killing a drive

-Gronk having the deep TD pass hit him in the hands

-Arrington missing the tackle on Heap and then Gregory's personal foul

Key plays in all 3 phases cost them this game. I'd put most of the blame on the offense and almost none on the defense except for the arrington/gregory sequence but that was a huge moment in the game as well which led to Arizona's only real TD drive.

The good news is that all of this is correctable.

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I don't know how the coaches get the blame for this one. You didn't need anything fancy to beat the Cardinals. The players didn't execute on offense. It's that simple. Dropped balls at key times, poor passes, non-existent pass protection at times...sorry, this one's on the players IMO.
Losses are always about poor execution, even marginal or crappy game plans can be overcome with talent and pinpoint execution. Then there is always play-calling that can be argued in this situation or that. When it comes down to purely "bad coaching" in a game, you can boil it down to 2-3 specific things, such as clock management and adjustments.

Personally, I think we made the right adjustments on offense and we did have some success later in the game. That success was often negated by poor execution, but we certainly found what was working against that D. So we are good there.

I did think some of the clock management stuff was suspect. Obviously the last drive. We had plenty of time and certainly could have gained another 10-15 yards for Gost. Yeah, we have a generally reliable kicker but a 43 yarder is not a chip shot by any stretch. Had we given him a 25-30 yarder, the outcome might have been different. Maybe we wouldn't have got those yards, but I found it perplexing that we did not even try.

We did a similar thing at the half. We marched 30 yards pretty easily, had about 45 seconds on the clock with 2 timeouts, at roughly mid-field. We just sat down. We could have easily given it a couple shots to get it in field goal range, but instead, we elected to call it a half and go into the locker room tied at 6. That's not the type of ball we are used to seeing in NE.
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The final sequence was probably the worst management I've seen in BB's time here. Being that passive goes completely against what I've admired him for.

As for the whole game who knows. I did think the defense was brilliant so he has to get some credit for that. It may have been JMD's worst game though.
I'm not sure if you can blame the offensive play calling when you repeatedly had guys open deep, but still ended up 2 for 9 on deep balls in the game. Poor execution in the passing game overall and horrible execution on the deep stuff was the story of this game.
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I thought a lot of the play calling was questionable (pitch to Woodhead on 3rd down to knowck us out of field goal range really stands out here) but at the end of the day it was the lack of execution and that's on the palyers.

-Welker dropped a pass for a first down which immediately led to a blocked punt

-poor blocking on said punt

-Brady throwing a pass without a clear lane on the first play leading to an INT

-Lloyd dropping a ball that hit him in the chest killing a drive

-Gronk having the deep TD pass hit him in the hands

-Arrington missing the tackle on Heap and then Gregory's personal foul

Key plays in all 3 phases cost them this game. I'd put most of the blame on the offense and almost none on the defense except for the arrington/gregory sequence but that was a huge moment in the game as well which led to Arizona's only real TD drive.

The good news is that all of this is correctable.
Add the missed 43-yard field goal to your list. No reason for that after a stellar day for Gostkowski.
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-Brady throwing a pass without a clear lane on the first play leading to an INT
Little has been made of this one because it happened so early in the game, but it was definitely one of the most important miscues of the game. You have a team looking for validation by beating the best, and you serve up a big confidence boost on the first offensive snap trying to make a throw you should only be attempting if you absolutely need to...
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I think game plan, personnel and execution have been the problem for the Patriots, and that's in both games. After the first game, I pointed to what I thought was just a mediocre performance by the offense, and I was told I was reading it wrong.

This second game was just the furtherance of the pattern, likely due in fair part to the LT, RG, RT and TE issues.
Execution is first on my list - the blocked punt, numerous dropped passes, 4 sacks, 8 penalties for 60 yards, the missed 43 yarder after Gostkowski nailed one from ten yards further away, and the interception to open the game. That's without even trying to review this game.

It does not matter what Josh is calling in from the sidelines, if the offense is going to screw up this much.

The Offensive Line definitely was outplayed yesterday. The blocked punt was an alignment issue, not one guy getting beat. How does that happen?

All the drops were killers - Gronk, LLoyd and Welker all had crucial drops on balls that hit their hands.
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I'm not sure if you can blame the offensive play calling when you repeatedly had guys open deep, but still ended up 2 for 9 on deep balls in the game. Poor execution in the passing game overall and horrible execution on the deep stuff was the story of this game.
Oh yeah, I never said the execution didn't deserve part of the blame. It was plenty of blame to go around and I don't pinpoint any one in particular. All I'm saying is the play calling was probably the worst I've seen from JMD.
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...Brady centers the ball with :44 to go. This lack of execution is on McDaniels. It was an ultra-conservative call by JM. Instead of putting the ball in the hands of his best player, Brady, he opts for setting up the kick. Play doesn't matter due to a false start by Gronk, and we move back five yards and put :46 seconds back on the clock. This down was maddening to me. Brady, while no doubt not having his best day, is still the best option. There was time to run at least 2 plays in the middle of the field and then spike the ball.

Replay first down, and McD calls the same play, ditto above, minus the knucklehead false start by Gronk.

Next play, Brady spikes the ball with :06 left. 40 seconds wasted. Then Ghost pulls it left. If Gronk, McDaniels or Ghost execute, game over.

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We've talked about the decision to center the ball in another thread set up about it and this is my stance; either you run the ball and risk a turnover and further loss of yardage (and the O Line weren't spectacular blocking for he run) , you drop back in a game where Brady has been harassed all day long and risk a turnover/sack or you center the ball for your kicker who has made four FGs of 30+ yards and three of which were 40+ and two of those were over 50!

You aren't guaranteed the ball to be centred when you run a play so they put heir faith in their hot footed kicker with a middle of the field shot...and he choked.
and he choked? UK_Pat37, I think you're wrong on this. The best part of Belichick the coach - what separates him from many other coaches - is his philosophy of putting his players in positions where they can succeed. If McDaniels was responsible for centering the ball insead of getting closer, then Belichick should have called him out on it. I don't care how hot a kicker is during the game - 40+ yard field goals, with no time remaining, are not gimme's.

I always laughed at coaches who, with over 1 minute to go, would run it (or take a knee) when they reached the opponent's 25 yard line - in effect settling for a 40+ yard field goal and setting up their kickers for failure. Numerous games have been lost by 2nd rung coaches who made such mistakes. A 42 yard field goal with no time remaining is vastly different than the kicks Ghost was making earlier in the game. I never thought Belichick would make this mistake, especially with Brady at the helm. A 30 or less yarder is a gimme. A 35 yarder? Maybe. A 40 yarder is probably a 60-40 proposition. OK, with Ghost it's probably 70-30. But, even that kind of risk is unnecessary when you have Brady who almost certainly (90+%) will be able to get you an extra 10 yards or so with 1 minute remaining.
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Lots of odd things — all covered here, from the final "drive" to Welker-Edelman to Dowling-Moore.

Did anybody hear BB's post-game press conference? The Q&A part was pretty standard, media asking few questions because they knew they wouldn't get answers and BB proving them right.

But what struck me was the opening statement -- Belichick sounded borderline upbeat. Almost reminded me of '08, after the Chiefs/Brady injury game. It was almost like he's looking forward to the challenge he knows is ahead of him. Maybe there's a better way to put it; maybe it's just my imagination. Anyone?
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