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Old 08-31-2012, 12:55 PM   #1
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Not too long ago there was talk among many that Hoyer could possibly be traded for a 3rd or even a 2nd round pick. We obviously overrated him in retrospect as I doubt BB would cut him if he had true trade value.
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Old 08-31-2012, 01:20 PM   #2
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Not too long ago there was talk among many that Hoyer could possibly be traded for a 3rd or even a 2nd round pick. We obviously overrated him in retrospect as I doubt BB would cut him if he had true trade value.
Given the QB dreck currently backing up (and in some cases, STARTING), I felt a 4th rounder for Hoyer was not out of the question.

BB has been known to cut without getting picks for players with value. See Sanders, James. Maybe there were no offers, but in cases like these, I find it hard to believe.

And, yes, it pisses me off.
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Given the QB dreck currently backing up (and in some cases, STARTING), I felt a 4th rounder for Hoyer was not out of the question.

BB has been known to cut without getting picks for players with value. See Sanders, James. Maybe there were no offers, but in cases like these, I find it hard to believe.

And, yes, it pisses me off.
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They tried hard to trade him, but found no takers at that salary. Perhaps the Kevin Kolbs of the world soured the NFL on finding a backup in a good system and then taking him into your system.

Mallett didn’t have a great rookie year, and the Patriots were concerned. Then, he showed up after his offseason in Arkansas at 10 percent body fat. Mallett had worked, and the Pats noticed. He’s already won employee of the week a few times, impressing them to no end. In games, the Patriots have actually hid Mallett, calling screen pass after screen pass so as not to show off his arm.

Basically the Pats were doing everything possible to make teams believe Hoyer was still fighting for the spot with Mallett when in reality he wasn't. Teams knew that and wouldn't give up anything of value ALONG with paying his salary when they knew he was getting cut.
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I'd say Hoyer has been progressing alogn the curve enough to keep hi maroundand his auditions during the last 2 preaeasons wasn't enough bait to reel in a trade.
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BB has been known to cut without getting picks for players with value. See Sanders, James. Maybe there were no offers, but in cases like these, I find it hard to believe.

And, yes, it pisses me off.
Many of us are still waiting for you to back up any of your claims that we were offered a draft pick for Hoyer, Sanders or any others.

Please advise with your inside knowledge.
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In games, the Patriots have actually hid Mallett, calling screen pass after screen pass so as not to show off his arm.
That's downright ridiculous.
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Pretty unlikely the Pats would say "no thanks" to a draft pick and just cut a guy instead.

Seems like a good move to me. I'd say the only reason to keep 3 QBs is if one guy is a veteran ready to step in right away, and the other's a potential/development guy. Don't keep two of the latter unless you really feel they both could be special--and Hoyer hasn't shown that he will be.

Look, Pats are obviously screwed if Brady goes down, cutting Hoyer doesn't change that. I like having the roster space for a guy who could help them this year.
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BB has been known to cut without getting picks for players with value. See Sanders, James. Maybe there were no offers, but in cases like these, I find it hard to believe.
As a so called 'up and coming' young safety who was taken in the first round and made the pro bowl twice in his first few years as a starter, Brandon Meriweather would have probably gathered a much higher pick than a journeyman JAG like James Sanders, but your point is certainly valid.

If we couldn't attract even a low round pick for a first round pro bowler (see Vontae Davis getting a #2 and #6 rounder as the closest thing I can find to a comparison, which is still night and day) then I wouldn't see much compensation for any of the players who the forum often clamors for in trade value.

Honestly, I thought those who were stating Hoyer as a potential 2nd round value had completely and utterly lost their minds, but I certainly agree with you that many thought he could've at least gathered us a 5th/6th rd pick or so. Unfortunately, I think there are many "Brian Hoyer's" around the NFL, and that poses a problem when attempting to judge.
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Many of us are still waiting for you to back up any of your claims that we were offered a draft pick for Hoyer, Sanders or any others.
I'm still waiting for the 1st round pick many Pats fans said we would get for Rohan Davey.
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Basically the Pats were doing everything possible to make teams believe Hoyer was still fighting for the spot with Mallett when in reality he wasn't. Teams knew that and wouldn't give up anything of value ALONG with paying his salary when they knew he was getting cut.
I think there's some truth to this.

The Pats like to keep their options open. They didn't get to see enough from Ryan Mallett last year to have confidence in him, so they tendered Hoyer at a 2nd round level as an insurance policy. There were rumors that the Pats loved Hoyer" and would be upset to lose him for a 2nd round pick, but in retrospect I wonder how much of that was a smoke screen. There were persistent media reports all spring from multiple sources about Hoyer's potential trade value, and the Pats' depth at QB.

As far as I can tell, 3 things apparently happened this preseason: (1) the Pats became more comfortable with Mallett's development, (2) Hoyer didn't show enough to merit any trade value, and (3) there was enough competition at other positions to put a squeeze on keeping 3 QBs.
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