Patspsycho

The point wasn't to "dumb" down the offense to a point where even Chad Jackson could pick it up, it's to remove some elements that are making it way too complex.

Case in example: they started giving Ocho more simple routes to run late in the year. Small changes like that. Not a major redesign of the offense, obviously.

patfanken

There IS something to say about the relative benefits of a complex scheme with multiple reads by the QB and various receivers to a more simple offense that excels in execution. Ray Berry and Johnny Unitas both got into the HOF because they perfected their execution to the point where even if the DB knew the route he couldn't stop it.

I have long thought that passing offenses have gotten too complicated. Everything in football is cyclical. Maybe now its time to go back to where execution trumps scheme again. I'm not saying going back to simply running the patterns called in the huddle. You can do more than that.

What I'm wondering is if you can eliminate the WR read, you eliminate 50% of the possible mistakes and confusion in the QBs mind. Leave it to the QB to determine the defense. Being in the center of the field, he's in the best position to determine what the defense is going to try and do on that particular play. I want the receiver to leave the LOS already knowing exactly where he is going, NOT have to make that determination on the fly AS he starts his route. You vastly increase the chances he is going to be where he is supposed to be this way.

You don't have to become inflexible OR at the mercy of the defense's play call. If the defense isn't conducive to the play that was called in the huddle the QB can change it on the LOS. But he changes it to a play which predetermine's the routes that will be run.

Personally I'm not really worried about the coverage. We should all know by now that, regardless of coverage, a well thrown, well timed pass, to a receiver who has run his route correctly is virtually impossible to stop. So even if the pass play isn't the perfect play for the defense. Or even if the defense has fooled the QB into thinking one thing rather than the other, because the QB and receiver are so completely on the same page, there is still a chance the play might work.

I just think when you need to have 4-5 guys all having to make the exact same reads CONSISTENTLY...on the fly....is just too hard. It works well on paper, but its a lot harder in reality. I wonder if the we aren't reaching a point of diminishing returns and should swing the pendulum back to a simpler path. Not all the way back, but back nonetheless.

This is definitely worth at least a discussion

Triumph

Better WRs.

Better than the NE DBs for sure.

DaBruinz

That is comparing apples to oranges..

A more appropriate example would be this:

A 5 Receiver set with each receiver having 3 options = 15 possible combinations.

A 5 receiver set with each receiver having 5 options = 25 possibilities.

The idea that limiting the options doesn't making it easier for the defense to defend doesn't hold water, nor does it provide more skills over a greater part of the field. A defensive player has a 1 in 3 chance of playing the play properly with only 3 options versus a 1 in 5 chance with 5 options.

No matter how you cut it, making the offense "less complex" doesn't help anyone but the defense defend against it.

everlong

The problem becomes if you simplify it for the outside receiver for instance so he's running a set route but the slot receivers read brings him into the area where the outside receiver will be regardless it screws the entire play up.

Maybe they can dumb it down a notch but you would have thought they would have done that for Chad last year. Their language is very verbose so what do you do add an extra section at the end for one guy?

Omaha triple set zero X cross with dumb@ss 85 fly.

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DaBruinz

It was won by the team with the better pass rush for that particular game.

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Since McDaniels officially took over as O.C. in 2006 and the offensive transformation began to take shape, the Patriots have set the record for most points in a season, gotten to 3 AFCCGs and 2 Super Bowls, gone 16-0, gone 76-20, Missed the playoffs only when Brady was out for the season, been ranked no lower than 8th in points scored and 11th in yards gained, and had 2 seasons with more than a 200 point differential between points scored and points allowed (In other words, more than a 12.5 ppg spread), one of which was actually more than a 300 point gap.

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Rob0729

According to Scott Zolak, the Steelers' offense is actually pretty complex. Just in different ways. The Steelers also won the Super Bowl with a dominant defense and QB who can run around for 5-7 seconds without being brought down so his receivers can get open.

Odds are good that if the are going to win the Super Bowl, it is going to be in large part because of their offense. One of the things that makes the Pats' offense so good is its complexity. You make the offense less complex, it may make it easier for young players to learn, but it also makes it easier for defenders to read and defend.

There is more than one way to win a Super Bowl, but part of the Pats' formula to win a Super Bowl is complex offenses that make it hard to defend. You take that away and you hurt the Pats' chances of winning the Super Bowl.

BradyManny

Forgive me for posting before having read the proposition.

But the notion is absurd.

The offense might be complex for receivers to learn. Sure. But more importantly, it's infinitely more complex for opposing defenses to defend.

The passing offense - without the benefit of an outside receiver - dragged this make-shift, patch-work defense to a 27-5 record the last two years - and to the brink of a championship.

It was one completed pass away from doing it, too - in a game in which the Patriots defense literally could not get off the field - shrinking the game in half and limiting offensive opportunities - and could not force a punt that didn't result in nightmare-ish field position that stretched the field for this offense.

Let me break it down for people. It's not that simple.

Offense = personnel is fine, other than outside receiver, which is easy to fix, and they have attempted to do so all offseason.
Defense = secondary personnel was an abomination, front seven has some real holes, the on-field production was historically bad, and Bill Belichick managed to will it up to mediocrity. It will be addressed in the draft - and with returning health and emergence of youngsters.

Priorities, people, priorities. This offense has been excelling playing alongside a defense that is the complete opposite of complementary, and is in fact, hindering the team's offensive output by limiting possessions and opportunities.

This offense excels greatly due to the complexity of its scheme - and its quarterback's ability to work within that scheme.

Don't break the biggest asset on this team.

DaBruinz

Wrong. Even Ocho said that wasn't the case. He said his biggest problem was having to THINK about what he was supposed to do instead of it being second nature. People make all sorts of BS claims about what Ocho's problem was last year. Claiming he didn't know the playbook and such. He knew the playbook. The problem was in his execution. He had to THINK things through. If I see the defenders doing X,Y,Z, I need to do A. And that made him slower in his reaction times.

But, as many people pointed out, there were plenty of times that Chad was open and Brady just didn't throw him the ball. Look what happened in the SB. Chad had on of the longest receptions for the Pats and then they ignored him the rest of the game.