Rob0729

Funny, I remember two years ago the media demonized the Pats for heading to an inevitable divorce between them and Brady. The media said the Pats were playing games with Brady and he may leave while Jim Irsay was going to make sure that Manning would retire a Colt and the Saints would reward Brees long before his contract expires and insult him with a franchise tag.

Two years later, Brady is happy and productive in New England, Peyton and the Colts are in the mist of a kinda messy divorce, and contract negotiations between Brees and the Saints are getting ugly with Brees very likely to be insulted with the franchise tag and at his age he might spend the next two years on it. Jason Cole is now reporting that Brees and the Saints are $5 million a year apart on a new contract and Mickey Loomis thinks Brees is a "very good" not a "great" QB.

If Drew Brees gets franchise tag, Saints doomed - NFL - Yahoo! Sports

Truck

To be fair, the Brady stuff was way overblown -- I think the whole 'last year of the contract' when it comes to players, and especially to coaches is way overblown.

And the Manning stuff couldn't have been predicted. I bet if things were reverse -- Brady missed the entire season again and we have a chance to get the most talked about college qb since vick or manning, many of us would be completely for it -- although the scenario here would probably be to let the qb stay on the sidelines for 1-2 years and then trade brady later since we are a superbowl contending team -- if we weren't then we'd be getting rid of brady and rebuilding.

IllegalContact

contract negotiations are touchy situations.

with brees, the deal will get done......simply typical posturing going on now

the manning situation is different. if manning was 5 years younger, like when brady missed the season, then the colts would be looking to trade the top pick and load up on much needed talent across the roster. there is a massive bonus looming for manning and nobody knows if he can even play. I think both sides are still trying to figure out what his value is.......not an easy thing to do.

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MoLewisrocks

Loomis is getting killed by the mediots, but he's right. Mr. NFLPA is reportedly looking for $23M per, the first 3 year average of Manning's $18M per deal. He should just tag him x 3. He won't hold out, image matters too much to him - locally and nationally. He's 33 years old and 6'0" and a prolific passer who struggles a bit outside of his dome where he's been surrounded with a talented OL and expansive cast of offensive skillplayers, some of whom they may not be able to retain much longer if they have to invest almost 18% of their cap in the QB. $14.5M + $17.2M + $24.8M = 3 years $56.5M <$19M per AAV...unless he's willing to "settle" for 5 years $90M ($18M AAV actually a little more than a bodefide great QB who resides here and is just a year older but 4" taller and a lot more accomplished did). I know he's been a good soldier playing out his 6/$60M deal. But so was Brady on the same deal he didn't even get until he'd already won 2 more rings on a deal worth half that.

Waiting eagerly for our resident Saints fan to weigh in on the debate.

T - 5 days and counting 'til Colts fans wave goodbye to Peyton...and test their Luck.

bucky

Yes, the term "media" just doesn't have the same meaning it used to. These days, the media is all about making loud noise. And by doing so, they drown out anything that could be considered real music.

MoLewisrocks

Here is a link to an insightful piece Andrew Brandt did back in September on how the Brees negotiations might unfold. I'd almost fotgotten momentarily that Condon is his agent, too. Bet Mickey is pointing to how the Manning deal worked out for the Colts about now.

Negotiations not a Brees | National Football Post

conway

I think instead of suggesting Brees is not a "great" quarterback, a better approach might be to emphasize the sacrifices the team would have to make to keep him at the price he's asking. Saying he's not great will probably offend him and cause him to be more firmly entrenched in his position. If emphasizing team needs didn't work, I'd franchise his ass and start talking about a trade with the Browns.

reflexblue

And we didn't hear a Peep about Payton and the Colts being astranged when they didn't address his contract situation right away. Funny how that is.

Rob0729

Irsay has totally blown how he has handled Manning plain and simple. Deciding to dump Manning and his salary isn't wrong considering the state of his franchise, but he started a public war with Manning the week of the Super Bowl because the guy just can't shut up. The Colts are a team devoid of talent with the #1 overall pick with the most hyped QB prospect in probably two decades. It is time for them to rebuild. He just could have handled it better.

But my overall point was that the media demonized the Patriots unfairly by contrasting their negotiations with Brady against two QBs who didn't end up coming close to what happened with any of the QBs. Brady got the contract he wanted. The Colts and Manning had as many problems getting a deal done as Brady and the Pats did and Manning is getting cut either today or next week. Brees and the Saints are now having similiar contention as the Pats and Brady did.

ctpatsfan77

Ummm . . . how so? Brady never actually reached FA, unlike both Manning (who IIRC was slapped with the exclusive franchise tag) and Brees (who almost certainly will be tagged).

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