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Crazy Patriot Guy · 10-30-2011, 09:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Deus Irae

I don't blame the refs on that. I blame the rules committee for not including language for plays inside the one that don't score as part of the auto-review stuff.

Exactly what I was thinking after the game. I hope it helps lead to a rule change to include that.

In this case, no replay was shown before the next play, which is all the coaches have to go on. A coach shouldn't have to blindly risk a timeout in the hope that the player did actually score.

If they had called that a TD, I'd be shocked if it wasn't reviewed. It only makes sense to review it with it not called a TD.

***DaBruinz*** · 10-30-2011, 09:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Crazy Patriot Guy

Exactly what I was thinking after the game. I hope it helps lead to a rule change to include that.

In this case, no replay was shown before the next play, which is all the coaches have to go on. A coach shouldn't have to blindly risk a timeout in the hope that the player did actually score.

If they had called that a TD, I'd be shocked if it wasn't reviewed. It only makes sense to review it with it not called a TD.

All scoring plays are automatically reviewed.

Yehoodi · 10-30-2011, 10:06 PM

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Originally Posted by DaBruinz

Again, Gronk REACHED OUT before he went out of bounds. What part of that don't you understand?

it looked like to me that he stepped out before reaching back . . . i did not think he got the first down . . .

BradfordPatsFan · 10-30-2011, 10:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Serafino07

Gronk seemed to be sure he was in the endzone and seemed to want BB to challenge. Someone on the coaching staff upstairs should have communicated to BB to challenge once they saw the replay on TV. There was more than enough time to get a challenge in. It was a bad coaching decision, as was the onside kick. No need for an onside kick in that situation, with all 3 TOs remaining.

From BB's presser:

On whether or not he thought about challenging the Gronkowski catch at the goal line at the end:

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“I thought about it, but there was no evidence to say to challenge it. I mean I certainly couldn’t see it from my angle, and I don’t believe they replayed the play in the box, but there was nothing to tell us that he wasn’t….I don’t know whether he was or not.”

It is the job of Ernie Adams, or whoever is in the coaches box, to see the replay and let BB know if they should challenge or not. No replay was available so they could not tell and BB may have felt that the timeout was better kept for later. Hindsight being what it is, maybe he should have challenged.

Crazy Patriot Guy · 10-30-2011, 10:15 PM

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Originally Posted by DaBruinz

All scoring plays are automatically reviewed.

Yeah but they don't buzz down to the field on every scoring play and tell them to look at instant replay. That's what I meant. Had Gronkowski's catch been ruled a TD, I don't think there's any chance it wouldn't have been looked at by the official on the field.

If they review every scoring play, they should have the power to review every play that could be a score as well. Again, it shouldn't be up to the coach hoping that CBS or Fox happpens to show a replay in time to challenge the call.

***Wolfpack*** · 10-30-2011, 10:22 PM

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Originally Posted by BradfordPatsFan

It is the job of Ernie Adams, or whoever is in the coaches box, to see the replay and let BB know if they should challenge or not. No replay was available so they could not tell and BB may have felt that the timeout was better kept for later. Hindsight being what it is, maybe he should have challenged.

I've always said (and this is a job I would be perfect for

) that every team should have an individual upstairs (not even necessarily in the same room as the coordinators) who's job it is is to simply watch the game on TV. This person should have 2 TV's side by side, one which is a fully functional TiVo unit so they can INSTANTLY flip back to see a replay without relying on the network to show one (and the other TV would maintain the closed circuit network feed).

This is not a perfect, foolproof system but I think it's better than relying on your coordinators (who are also busy doing other things) to hope CBS shows a replay.

***rlcarr*** · 10-30-2011, 10:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Crazy Patriot Guy

Again, it shouldn't be up to the coach hoping that CBS or Fox happpens to show a replay in time to challenge the call.

That's the thing I've always hated about the replay system (and overall I am glad there is a replay system). No way should the outcome of the game be depending on what replays a director in a network truck decides to show.

The NFL is rolling in cash -- they should having some sort of league-operated system installed at every stadium. At least for scoring plays if they can't work it out for the whole field.

***rlcarr*** · 10-30-2011, 10:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Wolfpack

I've always said (and this is a job I would be perfect for

) that every team should have an individual upstairs (not even necessarily in the same room as the coordinators) who's job it is is to simply watch the game on TV. This person should have 2 TV's side by side, one which is a fully functional TiVo unit so they can INSTANTLY flip back to see a replay without relying on the network to show one (and the other TV would maintain the closed circuit network feed).

I've often thought the same thing. However, do NFL rules even allow it?

***Wolfpack*** · 10-30-2011, 10:27 PM

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Originally Posted by rlcarr

I've often thought the same thing. However, do NFL rules even allow it?

That's a good question. I don't know of any such rule, but maybe there is one out there.

***Joker*** · 10-30-2011, 10:27 PM

OH Great! TV-Gate...and then the dreaded "TV credibility gap"...

no...I think the NFL should keep on doing everything the way Omissioner Jetdell wants it done....no one wants to see any of this new fangled video production stuff...just have the mid week rules committee meeting that results in total whitewashing of all controversial calls because...well..you know how Roger HATES controversy