AndyJohnson

2-14 conversions

tobias funke

counterpoint: chad henne

Fencer

6-19 on 3rd & 4th downs combined.

Which is to say that 6 of 14 3rd downs eventually converted.

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AndyJohnson

For about 52 minutes the defense allowed 1 TD drive, 1 FG drive, a TD on a 10 yard field and nothing else.
The fact that when the game was out of hand and we played soft zone to make them take time off the clock in order to move the ball, and that led to a bunch of yards and 1 TD does not IMO overcome the fact that until the game was out of hand, the D played well.
Do we really care what kind of stats the other team puts up while hopelessly trying to get back in the game?
If they weren't in a desperation mode where they went for it 5 times on 4th down, many of those yards would not have happened, and guess what, it wouldn't matter either way.

Sciz

That's 14%. Best last year was 25%, I believe.

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tobias funke

I wasn't referring to stats. I'm simply pointing out that they did it against Chad Henne.

I'm firmly in the "the defense played very well, likely better than the yards allowed makes them look" camp, like it sounds you are as well.

I'm just looking forward to seeing them do it against someone with a reputation for playing well under pressure (i.e. anyone other than Chad ******* Henne).

AndyJohnson

Well thats the only guy they have faced, and 2-14 is outstanding, against anyone.
By the way the Henne-led Dolphins were 12th best in the NFL last year in 3rd down conversions at 40%.

Sciz

BTW, the Phins converted 66% and 30% in their two meetings last year.

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tobias funke

The defensive play of the game for me was the crushing sack on Henne early in the 4th. It was really nice to see them get home on 3rd-down instead of 1st/2nd (followed by a long 3rd down conversion like usual).

Not to mention it was a particularly nasty hit. :-)

jmt57

I agree; over the years I have come to wonder if some people comment about a game based on stats and not what they actually saw (or if they even watched).

In the first drive Miami had six first downs and then the TD; after that:

• 3 and out, punt
• 1 first down, punt
• 3 and out, punt
• 1 first down, punt
• kneel down, end of half
• 2 plays, TD; drive started on Pats' 9-yard line after pick
• 4 first downs, FG
• 3 and out, punt
• 3 and out, punt

At this point the Pats are up by 14 with 8 1/2 minutes to play:

• 3 first downs; Miami turns the ball over on downs

Now it's 38-17 with 5 1/2 minutes to play:

• 4 first downs; TD

One last possession, Miami down by 14 with 2:32 to go:

• 4 first downs; clock expires

In my opinion the final stats - specifically the yardage, first downs, number of plays and time of possession - are a bit deceiving regarding the Pats defense vs the Miami offense. Yes, the final outcome still could have gone either way well into the fourth quarter, but the Pats defense did much better than what the game stats show.