Biggest Myth: "Impossible to decode tapes at halftime" - New England Patriots Forums

borg · 04-09-2008, 01:02 PM

For all those willing to accept the party line that it would be impossible to examine and decode the defensive signals, I suspect you never actually thought out the process. First in this age of digital video, just progressing through a half of football, especially to specific downs and yardage takes all of a split second. Second, I believe that the info most desired would be third down plays, more than likely passing situations. Using the Jets defense as the example...In 2007, the Jets averaged 63 defensive plays and 13 third down defenses per game. So the Patriots would be looking at 32 defensive snaps, of which maybe 7 were third downs in the first half of games. Of these seven third down plays, the Patriots would probably call 5-6 passing plays. So tell me why it would be so difficult for BB's secret circle of operatives to decode a half dozen signals during halftime, during the third quarter, and if necessary, during the fourth quarter. Oh, that's right, because the Patriots said it wasn't possible.

Fixit · 04-09-2008, 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by borg

For all those willing to accept the party line that it would be impossible to examine and decode the defensive signals, I suspect you never actually thought out the process. First in this age of digital video, just progressing through a half of football, especially to specific downs and yardage takes all of a split second. Second, I believe that the info most desired would be third down plays, more than likely passing situations. Using the Jets defense as the example...In 2007, the Jets averaged 63 defensive plays and 13 third down defenses per game. So the Patriots would be looking at 32 defensive snaps, of which maybe 7 were third downs in the first half of games. Of these seven third down plays, the Patriots would probably call 5-6 passing plays. So tell me why it would be so difficult for BB's secret circle of operatives to decode a half dozen signals during halftime, during the third quarter, and if necessary, during the fourth quarter. Oh, that's right, because the Patriots said it wasn't possible.

That's a lot of work to do in 12 minutes.

EVERYONE TAPES. Some even do it with the blessing of the league. Hello, Jets!

miDeuce · 04-09-2008, 01:07 PM

The problem I see with your argument is that while you can zip right through digital video, most likely the video was being shot on actual video which would have to be digitized. That has to be done in real time so already you're looking at more time to get the footage into the computer than there is for halftime.

***ctpatsfan77*** · 04-09-2008, 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by borg

For all those willing to accept the party line that it would be impossible to examine and decode the defensive signals, I suspect you never actually thought out the process. First in this age of digital video, just progressing through a half of football, especially to specific downs and yardage takes all of a split second. Second, I believe that the info most desired would be third down plays, more than likely passing situations. Using the Jets defense as the example...In 2007, the Jets averaged 63 defensive plays and 13 third down defenses per game. So the Patriots would be looking at 32 defensive snaps, of which maybe 7 were third downs in the first half of games. Of these seven third down plays, the Patriots would probably call 5-6 passing plays. So tell me why it would be so difficult for BB's secret circle of operatives to decode a half dozen signals during halftime, during the third quarter, and if necessary, during the fourth quarter. Oh, that's right, because the Patriots said it wasn't possible.

Don't forget, there are usually three people on the field signaling to the defense, only one of which is actually calling the intended play. And since they can change the person calling the play on each possession, I'm not sure there's even enough of a sample size to figure it all out, regardless of whether or not there's enough time.

In addition, there are limits to what equipment teams have access to during gametime. [I'm not saying that proves my argument, but it certainly doesn't help yours, either.]

***BelichickFan*** · 04-09-2008, 01:11 PM

The biggest myth is that teams wouldn't consider CHANGING THEIR SIGNALS at halftime or after every quarter. Its clear all teams knew we were taping so . . . duh . . . change your signals.

PonyExpress · 04-09-2008, 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by borg

For all those willing to accept the party line that it would be impossible to examine and decode the defensive signals, I suspect you never actually thought out the process. First in this age of digital video, just progressing through a half of football, especially to specific downs and yardage takes all of a split second. Second, I believe that the info most desired would be third down plays, more than likely passing situations. Using the Jets defense as the example...In 2007, the Jets averaged 63 defensive plays and 13 third down defenses per game. So the Patriots would be looking at 32 defensive snaps, of which maybe 7 were third downs in the first half of games. Of these seven third down plays, the Patriots would probably call 5-6 passing plays. So tell me why it would be so difficult for BB's secret circle of operatives to decode a half dozen signals during halftime, during the third quarter, and if necessary, during the fourth quarter. Oh, that's right, because the Patriots said it wasn't possible.

I'm sure the trilateral commission and the Bilderberg society were in on it. @$$clown.

BrianPat · 04-09-2008, 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by borg

For all those willing to accept the party line that it would be impossible to examine and decode the defensive signals, I suspect you never actually thought out the process. First in this age of digital video, just progressing through a half of football, especially to specific downs and yardage takes all of a split second. Second, I believe that the info most desired would be third down plays, more than likely passing situations. Using the Jets defense as the example...In 2007, the Jets averaged 63 defensive plays and 13 third down defenses per game. So the Patriots would be looking at 32 defensive snaps, of which maybe 7 were third downs in the first half of games. Of these seven third down plays, the Patriots would probably call 5-6 passing plays. So tell me why it would be so difficult for BB's secret circle of operatives to decode a half dozen signals during halftime, during the third quarter, and if necessary, during the fourth quarter. Oh, that's right, because the Patriots said it wasn't possible.

I disagree, from my understanding, they used tapes. To get those tapes converted into the type of format your talking about would take at least 10 minutes, then in the time left your going to learn something you can use on the field in the second half. The assumption they dind't use it in the second half, is just that, an assumption, but it's a much much more valid one then the one your making.

kolbitr · 04-09-2008, 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by borg

For all those willing to accept the party line that it would be impossible to examine and decode the defensive signals, I suspect you never actually thought out the process. First in this age of digital video, just progressing through a half of football, especially to specific downs and yardage takes all of a split second. Second, I believe that the info most desired would be third down plays, more than likely passing situations. Using the Jets defense as the example...In 2007, the Jets averaged 63 defensive plays and 13 third down defenses per game. So the Patriots would be looking at 32 defensive snaps, of which maybe 7 were third downs in the first half of games. Of these seven third down plays, the Patriots would probably call 5-6 passing plays. So tell me why it would be so difficult for BB's secret circle of operatives to decode a half dozen signals during halftime, during the third quarter, and if necessary, during the fourth quarter. Oh, that's right, because the Patriots said it wasn't possible.

Despite your own arrogant tone, some of us sheep have thought out the process, and we still think your post is pretty confused. The "party line" has been that such in-game use was not done, period; moreover, for in-game decoding, no videotaping is necessary, as has been said many times by others outside the "party". The in-game decoding that had been bragged about by Coach Shanahan, for example, required no tape, no camera, only eyes and brains.

The actual use and purpose of the tapes have perhaps not been satisfactorily explained for many people, both on the board and elsewhere. Many seem to think that there had to have been a major "Madden cheat code" advantage, or why do it? BB himself gave us the entire kernel of the process when he said that the Pats were studying tendencies, not deciphering immediate actions.

borg · 04-09-2008, 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Fixit

That's a lot of work to do in 12 minutes.

EVERYONE TAPES. Some even do it with the blessing of the league. Hello, Jets!

Why 12 minutes? Does everyone stop working at kickoff?

borg · 04-09-2008, 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by miDeuce

The problem I see with your argument is that while you can zip right through digital video, most likely the video was being shot on actual video which would have to be digitized. That has to be done in real time so already you're looking at more time to get the footage into the computer than there is for halftime.

Why actual video?