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Old 03-03-2008, 11:28 AM   #31
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Yeah guess your right. But there are economies of scale. Someone making $50k a year and taking a $10k pay cut is monsterous. Not at all like a big swinger like you taking a cut of ' hundreds of thousands less each year' on your multimillion dollar salary.
Ummm... I took that 'cut' based upon lifestyle choice and, as a result, I grossed less than 50k last year. The irony of your 'economies of scale' argument is that Moss is the ultimate example of that. You're defending him holding out despite his having already earned millions. I don't begrudge him the money if that's his highest goal, I just think the argument you used to defend him is a bad one.
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Old 03-03-2008, 11:29 AM   #32
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That being said, my answer to your title question ("What's wrong with Moss wanting $$$$?") is "not a thing." If I could earn top dollar AND take the job of my choice, so much the better. My hope is that Randy is exploring free agency with his first priority being to emerge with a better contract from the Patriots, which is fine with me.
The problem is that unlike with regular employers, NFL teams work within a salary cap. More so than with other walks of life, if you really want to win or be in a good situation in the NFL, you cant ask to break the bank.

And if you are breaking the bank, and your team is terrible, you have no business to complain about it later.
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Randy deserves a market level contract. I don't recall Randy ever saying he would take a 'discount' to stay with New England, only that he wouldn't 'break the bank'.

When you consider the best CB (Samuel) are getting close to 10mil per, and offensive GUARDS are getting 8 mil (Faneca), and a #2 WR got paid 7 mil per (Berrian), and a backup DT (Kelly) got 7 mil....why shouldn't Randy receive what would be considered a 'market' contract, which in my opinion is 10-11 mil per year....that is his MARKET value!
Randy in his old contract was scheduled to receive around 11 million THIS year had he not renegotiated, and based on what he did last year, should get around that ballpark in his new contract

My opinion is that the Patriots are being CHEAP and offering a contract of 6-8 mil per year, which Randy should totally reject and look elsewhere. The Patriots are not the ONLY team that has a chance to be Superbowl competitive the next few years.

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It just proves that money is what he's all about. He finally had a great supporting cast and put up record-breaking numbers. Would he choose success and a little less money, or would he rather risk it to go play in another Oakland situation to get that big paycheck? It's a very indicitive statement about his character.
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Honestly, everyone thinks it's just about Randy Moss and how much he wants. I'd be willing to bet that BB would just as content seeing Randy take his services elsewhere and use that money on other positions, like defense. BB is smart enough to know that the biggest contributor to his success is #12, and I think as long as the Patriots make the right overtures in trying to keep Moss and inform Tom of the process, this will all even out, whether Moss stays or leaves. I want him to be here for the rest of his career, but not at the expense of the Pat's future success.
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While bantering this subject about with people I learned that the average annual wage in the US is about 36K a year and for MA it’s about 44K. Maybe Randy needs to spend a year in the average Joe’s and Jane’s cleats then get back to the Pats FO.
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New England is not the only team that Randy can have success.

Randy Moss deserves to be paid 'market value' for what he did last year.

PERIOD.
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Ummm... I took that 'cut' based upon lifestyle choice and, as a result, I grossed less than 50k last year. The irony of your 'economies of scale' argument is that Moss is the ultimate example of that. You're defending him holding out despite his having already earned millions. I don't begrudge him the money if that's his highest goal, I just think the argument you used to defend him is a bad one.
Wait, if you took a paycut of hundreds of thousands of dollars to make less then 50k all for a lifestyle choice then I have to commend you on that decision. That is one hell of a choice! Bravo, I wouldn't have the fortitude and conviction to make such a move. You're more of a man then I am and I am not being sarcastic about any of this.
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Wait, if you took a paycut of hundreds of thousands of dollars to make less then 50k all for a lifestyle choice then I have to commend you on that decision. That is one hell of a choice! Bravo, I wouldn't have the fortitude and conviction to make such a move. You're more of a man then I am and I am not being sarcastic about any of this.
Thank you, but you're being too kind. I simply had a different set of priorities than some other people. For me, location and lifestyle was more important than money. Believe me, I wouldn't turn down a winning lottery ticket.
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I don’t want to hear the argument that he can afford it.
[GRATUITOUS INSULTS DELETED] You can't compare a guy making 50,000 a year trying to find a job that pays him 75,000 a year with a guy who has already made over 40 million dollars.

I mean how much money is enough? How many lifetimes of earnings for a regular guy does he have to receive before its enough? Whether he retires with 80 million or 90 million does it really make a difference? Is he going to be destitute if he takes 8 million from the Pats rather than 10 million from another team?

Most of us could live happily the rest of our lives with 1 million so spare us the stupidity because no we can't relate.
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