Anyone else still think Samuel is overrated - New England Patriots Forums

nepatz11 · 02-19-2008, 10:31 AM

I still think Samuel is overated. Does anyone have access to any statistics about how Samuel does compared to other cornerbacks in the league in terms of QB rating against, completion percentage against, touchdown ratio against etc. I remember being really unimpressed by his numbers when I heard them and I also remember Hobbs having better numbers. I could be wrong and I would love someone to prove me so.

BradyManny · 02-19-2008, 10:43 AM

I've been looking for those same numbers and heard the same thing you did, that Hobbs #s were basically the same. I remember Holley talking about the #s on EEI to refute some of Felger's garbage re: Hobbs, but I haven't found them since.

The only thing I found was DB success rates through 12 weeks of the season on Football Outsiders and Samuel was towards the top of the league. But old friend Ty Law was just slightly beneath him, FYI.

signbabybrady · 02-19-2008, 10:48 AM

We could be looking at a combo here.

IMO and I know some people will bash me for it but I think Hobbs is underrated.

So comparing a supposed overated player to IMO an underrated player yuo are going to get two guys close in stats and skill with a precieved large gap in talent though.

Even if he is a little overrated I still want him back as we have no one better to replace him with, and don't forget anyone on the market will cost you pretty much the same $.

sebman2112 · 02-19-2008, 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by signbabybrady

We could be looking at a combo here.

IMO and I know some people will bash me for it but I think Hobbs is underrated.

So comparing a supposed overated player to IMO an underrated player yuo are going to get two guys close in stats and skill with a precieved large gap in talent though.

Even if he is a little overrated I still want him back as we have no one better to replace him with, and don't forget anyone on the market will cost you pretty much the same $.

I think Hobbs is underrated and gets picked on even when something wasn't his fault.

Now I'll say that Samuel isn't overrated when it comes to jumping routes, as I think he's very good at that particular skill. But, as a shutdown cover man I do think he's at least somewhat overrated. I've seen him get beat just as often as Hobbs (if not more in some games), yet a lot of fans continued thinking of his as irreplaceable. The fact that he doesn't like flipping sides also limits his overall ability to shutdown the apposing teams best WR. In reality Hobbs was matched up against the other teams no.1 WR more frequently, and (if you actually bother looking at the numbers) Hobbs held his own. Also, some of teams started taking advantage of Asante's risk taking as the season moved along (they started faking the out and he'd sometimes bite). I also think the soft zone NE's employed over the past few years was suited more to Asante's playing style, than Hobbs.

Heck, everyone remembers Plaxico's TD in the SB, but it seems most forget he only cought two passes for something like 27 yards in that game. It wasn't because NE's defensive line pressured Manning either (he got plenty of protection), but that Hobbs had blanket coverage for most of the game.

BadMoFo · 02-19-2008, 11:05 AM

Just think of it this way: Who do you get upset with more on any Sunday? I'm sure your answer is Hobbs about 5 to 10 times more than Samuel.

All of a sudden he's overrated because he's as good as gone. Please.

Pats726 · 02-19-2008, 11:15 AM

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All of a sudden he's overrated because he's as good as gone. Please.

No..a lot of people thought the Franchise tag was a bit of a stretch..based on half of a season..I think he might be a bit over rated..nothing at all to do with the fact he is leaving..I think some team will pay a LOT for him..over pay IMO.

patsfan-1982 · 02-19-2008, 11:16 AM

samuel is not overrated he is one of the best cover coners in the nfl but i do think hobbs is underrated most of the time hobbs was covering the outher teams best WR and for the most part stoped them plex beat him in the SB yes but i dont care if u have champ bailey there was no reason for plex to be one on one with less then a mn left in the game on there 10 yerd line

jcdavey · 02-19-2008, 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by nepatz11

I still think Samuel is overated. Does anyone have access to any statistics about how Samuel does compared to other cornerbacks in the league in terms of QB rating against, completion percentage against, touchdown ratio against etc. I remember being really unimpressed by his numbers when I heard them and I also remember Hobbs having better numbers. I could be wrong and I would love someone to prove me so.

i don't know about this past season, but i thought he was the #1 cb in 06 or 05 according to football outsiders

BadMoFo · 02-19-2008, 11:25 AM

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No..a lot of people thought the Franchise tag was a bit of a stretch..based on half of a season..I think he might be a bit over rated..nothing at all to do with the fact he is leaving..I think some team will pay a LOT for him..over pay IMO.

Overpaid? Compared to who, you?

Nate Clements set the standard last year, and that is what the better cornerbacks in the league are going to be paid from now on. I wouldn't call it being overpaid.

signbabybrady · 02-19-2008, 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by BadMoFo

Just think of it this way: Who do you get upset with more on any Sunday? I'm sure your answer is Hobbs about 5 to 10 times more than Samuel.

All of a sudden he's overrated because he's as good as gone. Please.

A guy can be overated and still be great....

this is one of my pet peaves. People hear the word over rated and immediately think you are saying someone is bad.

No one is arguing wether samuels is good, some people just think the perception is he is better than he really is.he could be 99% of what people think he is and he would be overrated but still extremely good.