AndyJohnson

I havent paid a whole lot of attention to this Spector bozo, but something I keep hearing is really annoying me.
I keep hearing about 'confirmation that this goes back to 2000'.
Yet, the only facts I have heard about that are that Goddell said Belichick thought it was legal IMPLYING he had done it all along.
That has now turned into Spectacle saying that there was evidence about 2 games vs the Steelers.

Isn't this a complete stretch and manipulation of fact? How does that guy really sleep at night?

Likewise, it has been thoroughly reported that the Patriots turned over 6 tapes from 06 and pre-season 07. How does that lead to confirmation that it was done at any other time?

I dont know that it really matters if, when or how often this was done. I could care less about it, its obvious that every team does whatever they can for a competitive advantage, there is no doubt that every team attempts to steal signs, whether done with video or not isn't a judgment on character but one of technolgical saavy.
But why would an elected official CREATE a controversy over something he has no true authority over, only to come out and twist the facts to sensationalize and most likely overstate it?
If it were a true magnimous gesture by a government official, wouldn't he walk out, and state the FACTS of what was said, rather than draw conclusions that support what he wants to cry about?

I just dont get it.

Disco Volante

I am a bit confused myself.

What has been confirmed as fact, from yesterday?

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Joker

He's a lame duck,Andy...this is the end of the line for him so he's doing things like this because he can get away with it without repercussions to his future.The entire premise is ludicrous and grounds for censure IMO.

BradyFTW!

I could be way off on this, but I think that Goodell confirmed that Belichick had told him that he had been taping since 2000. Of course, he also said the Super Bowls weren't tainted, which means that either this wasnt actually said, or Goodell doesn't think that taping taints the Super Bowls. He's kinda backed himself into a corner with this one, I'd say.

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AndyJohnson

As far as I have seen, the facts were that Goddell destroyed the tapes, he told Specacle what was on them, and told him that BB said he felt it was legal, which IMPLIED that it had been going on since 2000.

lightningbolt

Goodell cannot punish the Patriots any further because that makes him look like he was holding back a more severe punishment until Congress got on his back and also because it would put into question the legitimacy of the Patriots 3 championships. Saying that they've been video taping other team's since 2000 is admitting that the Patriots have been cheating all of that time and have 3 super bowls that they won through cheating.

Disco Volante

Yup, that's what I read in the first article.

Then I saw the AP article which was reporting it was fact. I don't think Roger has said anything concering this since the meeting.

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reflexblue

I beleive it would be legal until the memo of sep'06. if thats the case then Sphinctor is ignoring the fact that it was legal until 06 and running with this bull ***** about taping since 2000 without saying that it WAS legal at the time. Real slimball stuff,what am I saying hes a typical politician

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AndyJohnson

I have not read that, and have read it stated in afew places, exactly as BB said he felt it was legal, and that IMPLIED he had been doing it since 2000.

It doesnt add up with the prior stories either,because it has been communicated that:

1) 6 tapes were turned over
2) they were from 06 and the 07 preseason
3) Goddell stated he was CONFIDENT everything was turned over, and firmly said if he believed there were any more, he would reopen the investigation. He was specifically asked if he felt he got everything, and he said yes, and he better have.

What we are to believe from these stories, other than that Goddell has lied to protect the Patriots (curious behavor considering the penalties levied) that Goddell 'caught' the Patriots, BB handed over 6 recent tapes, told him he had been doing it for 7 years, but that he destroyed 6 1/2 years of work for no reason, and Goddell whole heartedly believed it. This is foolish when you consider that NFL teams keep EVERYTHING, that technology would nowhave that film on a disc or harddrive, and would be categorized by HC, DC, and the coaches that new coordinators or coaches worked under.
If this was a scheme to gain a competitive advantage, knowing how BB uses film study, prior to the SB, he would have pulled out every game ever against a Coughlin or Spagnola team, AND any game against any coaches they ever coached under and had someone looking for trends.
Hey, back in 2001 and 2002, the Eagles used a shoulder rub to indicate a blitz. The Jags under Couglin used a tug on the pant leg for 4 years. Lets watch for those in the game, and if we see them and its a blitz, we have the key.

One thing is certain. If bill Belichick had 7 years of film, he wouldn't have erased it because he saw no vaue in it. It would have sat around until one day he thought it could help.

Joker

you make an amazing amount of leaps in logic...

1)all teams videotape...did you seriously NOT know this?

2)the Pats have been videotaping like everybody has been videotaping yet ONLY the Pats are "cheating" by videotaping? Only the Pats get an advantage because they have the supersecret videotapes that, by your way of thinking, absolutely and positively are the SOLE reason they win...not game planning,not coaching, not the players....all you need is a videotape and you win the Super Bowl. Yeah,pretty logical....like one of those S.D. iceheads on a weeklong binge picking scabholes in their arms and legs.

3) and of course, the F-A-C-T that this "rule" the Patriots infracted only came into being in 2006 really lends a ton of credence to your "see!!!! cheating!!!back to 2000!!!". Obviously you are a very shallow little fan with nothing more than a passing knowledge of NFL football. Perhaps you'd do better writing critiques of in-line skating or trying to break the "awesome dewd!" stoned out Mission Beach surfbum mushroom eating record.