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Old 02-05-2008, 12:34 PM   #11
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Maybe there was so much more at stake that just throwing it up to Moss in double coverage was not worth the risk as it is when yoru up by 28 to the Dolphins.


I did see that, and I did think Moss had a chance at it, just jump, the guy can jump pretty high.

But overall the play calling was bad, they should have used their timeouts, they only needed 50 yards in 28 seconds with 3 timeouts.

Without Moss, any other year we would have tried to work the field for a FG. Perhaps Moss gives the OC and Brady and unesseccary amount of confidence and tunnel vision.
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Old 02-05-2008, 12:37 PM   #12
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Without Moss, any other year we would have tried to work the field for a FG. Perhaps Moss gives the OC and Brady and unesseccary amount of confidence and tunnel vision.
He is Randy Moss - that is why we signed him, that is why we were 18-0 to begin with. Why deviate from what got you there? Moss did not jump after that ball - a great pass, would have been a great catch. But he didn't even try! It p*sses me off...
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Moss' effort on the ball was poor. Same also for Samuel, Hobbs, Harrison, and especially Woods. These balls were all ours for the taking. Brady should have thrown the ball before taking a sack that led to going for it on 4th down. Many chances to make plays they did not make. It is what it is.
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He is Randy Moss - that is why we signed him, that is why we were 18-0 to begin with. Why deviate from what got you there? Moss did not jump after that ball - a great pass, would have been a great catch. But he didn't even try! It p*sses me off...
He probably thought it was going to slip through the coverage.
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He got open, the ball just need another couple of yards under it. The last 2 minutes of the game just keep playing out in my head over and over and over again. I can't stand it, I've never felt so sick in my life.
You must not have been watching the 1990 1-15 Pats under Rod Rust!

Now THAT was sickening!

Going 18-1 and losing the Super Bowl by 3 points to a team that was more prepared than us and played with more intensity (Randy Moss' words, not mine) is hardly "sickening"!

(Damn, we've gotten spoiled, haven't we?)
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Drewwho,
I disagree about Moss on that pass. He was sprinting downfield trying to get separation from 2 defenders. It appears the ball might get to him but was slightly underthrown and tipped away at the last second. No way could Randy stop on a dime and jump for the ball that quickly - especially since it appeared to have a chance of getting to him if he continued running.
The pass to Moss in the end zone earlier in the game was one of Brady's really off target ones. Moss broke to his left wide-open and the ball was thrown hard, no where near him, out of bounds. Not one of Tom's best games. But the constant pressure by the Giants would tend to rattle even the best QB.
Your accusation that Moss wasn't hustling during the playoffs is really offbase. Statements like that show why Moss is given an undeserved reputation. He was used as a decoy in the first two games, with passing to him never the first option. He ran his routes on every play, blocked when needed, and attempted to catch the ball if thrown to. Brady chose to throw to open receivers instead of forcing it to Moss. He was to be used more in Super Bowl 42 but the Giants didn't allow Brady the time to find him. Moss, Welker, and Faulk were probably the nearest things we had to studs offensively in the Super Bowl. The OL was putrid, Maroney danced, Brady was average instead of Tom Terrific - But again the NYGs had something to do with those poor performances.. I hate to see us start ripping apart players, questioning their desire to win, after a hard fought loss to a team that simply outplayed and outcoached us on that one day. None of this would be mentioned if that last NY drive had resulted in 0 points and a 14-10 PATS win. You would be praising Moss for the move that left the defender on the ground as he caught the winning TD.
If you've been waiting for a loss to blame Randy Moss for, this one is not it.
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I disagree about Moss on that pass. He was sprinting downfield trying to get separation from 2 defenders. It appears the ball might get to him but was slightly underthrown and tipped away at the last second. No way could Randy stop on a dime and jump for the ball that quickly
I think, or atleast I think I think, that we are talking about the pass Randy was a step or two in front of his man, and didnt make an effort to even raise his hands as the ball sailed over, but not too far over, as it only landed maybe 7 yards away from him.

It wasn't the roll out, wait and chuck it 80 yarder that I think your thinking of... that was tight coverage, and would have taken a miracle to complete.
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I think, or atleast I think I think, that we are talking about the pass Randy was a step or two in front of his man, and didnt make an effort to even raise his hands as the ball sailed over, but not too far over, as it only landed maybe 7 yards away from him.

It wasn't the roll out, wait and chuck it 80 yarder that I think your thinking of... that was tight coverage, and would have taken a miracle to complete.
You are right, I'm thinking of the pass at the end of the game that was tipped away at the last second. I thought that was the pass Drewwho was referencing.
Still see no reason to criticize Moss on either play or in any of our 19 games.
A record season in TD catches, 18 wins, a 3 point Super Bowl loss in the last minute - then criticizm. I just don't feel fans should treat their team (the Patriot family) that way.
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29 seconds: Pats 26 yard line

1st down pass to Faulk 15 yards
Call time out

22 seconds: Pats 41 yard line

1st down pass to Welker 15 yards
Call timeout

15 Seconds: Giants 44 yard line

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Call timeout

8 Seconds: Giants 29 Yard line

Kick 46 Yard Field Goal
Win Game
Enjoy

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I vomitted after reading this. I can totally see it playing out this way, but we will never know. The bombs seemed a bit desperate at the time, but then I realized that if Brady throws 3 straight bombs to Moss, the chances of him catching it OR getting a Pass Int. call are pretty damn good.
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I vomitted after reading this. I can totally see it playing out this way, but we will never know. The bombs seemed a bit desperate at the time, but then I realized that if Brady throws 3 straight bombs to Moss, the chances of him catching it OR getting a Pass Int. call are pretty damn good.
Right. We aren't the Colts....
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