Our weakness on offense and draft - New England Patriots Forums - PatsFans.com Patriots Fan Messageboard
NEWS
|
FORUM
|
PHOTOS
|
VIDEOS
|
FULL STATS DATABASE
|
PODCAST
|
RUMOR MILL
Get Social With PatsFans.com
Early Roster Projection
Ryan's Journey Started Early
POST DRAFT PODCAST

Go Back   New England Patriots Forums - PatsFans.com Patriots Fan Messageboard > PatsFans.com Forums > PatsFans.com - Patriots Fan Forum
Forgot Password? Join PatsFans.com!
Register Blogs FAQ Members List Calendar Arcade Mark Forums Read Chat Room

WELCOME TO OUR FORUM HERE AT PATSFANS.COM!
ARE YOU NEW HERE? NOT LOGGED IN? PLEASE TAKE A MOMENT TO REGISTER FOR AN ACCOUNT AND LOGIN TO REMOVE THIS WINDOW

Welcome to PatsFans.com. Do you have an account? If not - please take a moment to register for our forum and experience a much smoother experience with fewer ads, along with no longer having to see this notification window. Also learn about how you can receive a free Patriots T-Shirt from the Patriots Official ProShop by CLICKING HERE. Please enjoy your stay here, and Go Pats!

Closed Thread
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 01-19-2011, 08:22 AM   #1
2nd Team Getting Their First Start
 
satz's Avatar
 

Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Attleboro,Ma
Posts: 1,907
Default Our weakness on offense and draft

So breaking down some aspects of the game

The the Jets did not play Man or Zone but a combination.The put there outside guys on Man. So deion and Tate were in man coverage. Deion got shutdown by revis. then they brought there safety down into the box and dropped the LB. playing a tight zone underneath.They shadowed one safety on tate side.

so you had 2 LB/3 DB or 1 LB/3 DB or 4 DB with 10-15 yrd of LOS pratically blanketing the wes/te routes shuting down the underneath routes

They targeted 2 players in particular
Danny woodhead - When he is pass protection they always at snaps changes the blitz or pressure making him read and pickit up. Similar to what clevland did.Faulk was a master at this.

tate - He was on ouside man and they even tryed wes but tate and tom never developed any rhythm during season and it showed. even in blow outs the OC need to say this is my thrid guy and i am going to call plays for him but the whole let brady read and distribute came to bite as he used to Wes and Deion but not tate.BY making him go to his 4th read it was like playing with a WR he is not used to.

So the way to beat this

1) Run the ball you have smaller guys so use your TE to set the edge and run between the tackles.We do it against the colts but we needed a Colts game plan. Run and Run till they are forced to bring more LB on the field as they had only 4 DL dressed for this game. When more LB come then go no huddle and use wes/te on them.

2)Outside WR have to develop some chemistry. Brady has to be given plays every game where tate/rookie wr/price have to be first/second reads.

Draft Some big uglies on defense

a good 3-4 end is going to help your OLB alot .Seymour sometimes drew double letting AD,vrabel or willie on a TE or RB. Right now tully , cunningham are rushing against tackles if we really need to improve pass rush get a bully like seymour. I loved his attitude. He was a bully on the DL who along with Vince created a favourable matchup for OLB to rush.Its not a conincidence that when Ty played his best year vrabel had 17 sacks.When you have a good 3-4 end you are helping your OLB alot.
__________________
NFL - A perfect american business model .
HarleyDavidson-Turning gas into noise for more than 100 yrs without the side effects of power and still making a tonne of money a great american business model.


To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

Last edited by jmt57; 01-19-2011 at 01:36 PM..
satz is offline  
FEATURED ADVERTISEMENT
DONATE TO PATSFANS.COM
RECEIVE A FREE PATS T-SHIRT AND SAVE 15% OFF WHEN YOU BUY FROM THE OFFICIAL PROSHOP!

Free T-Shirt & Save 15% Off!
Like Our Site? Please help support our site and server costs by DONATING TO PATSFANS.COM and receive a FREE PATRIOTS T-SHIRT and SAVE 15% off EVERY purchase you make from PatriotsProShop.com. You'll also receive added benefits to your account
including Removing All Ads During Your Experience Here At Our Forum.

NEEDED YEARLY SITE DONATIONS: 345 | CURRENT # OF SUBSCRIBED SUPPORTERS: 98

Updated 07/08/11

Help Us Reach Our Goal!

Old 01-19-2011, 09:11 AM   #2
On The Game Day Roster
 

Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Southern NH..off of rt 93
Posts: 388
My Mood: Happy
Default Re: Our weekness on offence and draft

Quote:
Originally Posted by satz View Post
So breaking down some aspects of the game

The the Jets did not play Man or Zone but a combination.The put there outside guys on Man. So deion and Tate were in man coverage. Deion got shutdown by revis. then they brought there safety down into the box and dropped the LB. playing a tight zone underneath.They shadowed one safety on tate side.

so you had 2 LB/3 DB or 1 LB/3 DB or 4 DB with 10-15 yrd of LOS pratically blanketing the wes/te routes shuting down the underneath routes

They targeted 2 players in particular
Danny woodhead - When he is pass protection they always at snaps changes the blitz or pressure making him read and pickit up. Similar to what clevland did.Faulk was a master at this.

tate - He was on ouside man and they even tryed wes but tate and tom never developed any rhythm during season and it showed. even in blow outs the OC need to say this is my thrid guy and i am going to call plays for him but the whole let brady read and distribute came to bite as he used to Wes and Deion but not tate.BY making him go to his 4th read it was like playing with a WR he is not used to.

So the way to beat this

1) Run the ball you have smaller guys so use your TE to set the edge and run between the tackles.We do it against the colts but we needed a Colts game plan. Run and Run till they are forced to bring more LB on the field as they had only 4 DL dressed for this game. When more LB come then go no huddle and use wes/te on them.

2)Outside WR have to develop some chemistry. Brady has to be given plays every game where tate/rookie wr/price have to be first/second reads.

Draft Some big uglies on defense

a good 3-4 end is going to help your OLB alot .Seymour sometimes drew double letting AD,vrabel or willie on a TE or RB. Right now tully , cunningham are rushing against tackles if we really need to improve pass rush get a bully like seymour. I loved his attitude. He was a bully on the DL who along with Vince created a favourable matchup for OLB to rush.Its not a conincidence that when Ty played his best year vrabel had 17 sacks.When you have a good 3-4 end you are helping your OLB alot.
The games are won in the trenches. We need atleast 3 new OL and 2 on the DL and an OLB that can rush the passer.

We also need to get rid of some coaches. BOB needs to go. We need to make Pepper Johnson the DC.

Its been 7 years since we have seen the Lombardi. The old standards on win one once in a while are gone. Kraft has a new stadium that needs to be paid plus Patriot Place. I imiagine that in the next week all you will see in Patriot Place is snow drifts.

There is no reason to go there now. There is no foot traffic at the stores. No one in the restaurants.

You will be able to hear a pin drop soon.
aabtec is offline  
Old 01-19-2011, 09:49 AM   #3
2nd Team Getting Their First Start
 
satz's Avatar
 

Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Attleboro,Ma
Posts: 1,907
Default Re: Our weekness on offence and draft

Quote:
Originally Posted by aabtec View Post
The games are won in the trenches. We need atleast 3 new OL and 2 on the DL and an OLB that can rush the passer.

We also need to get rid of some coaches. BOB needs to go. We need to make Pepper Johnson the DC.

Its been 7 years since we have seen the Lombardi. The old standards on win one once in a while are gone. Kraft has a new stadium that needs to be paid plus Patriot Place. I imiagine that in the next week all you will see in Patriot Place is snow drifts.

There is no reason to go there now. There is no foot traffic at the stores. No one in the restaurants.

You will be able to hear a pin drop soon.

I agree on the OL and DL but as i said we need big 3-4ends badly. Every one still drool over Clay mattew but in greenbay he plays well against a DL whose job is to free him up.We do not play like that for some reason.

OL - I see 2 G/C in the draft and resign matt light. You do not want to have a brand new line . Light/vollmer/Kazur/Levour will be tackles .


I live 10 minutes from patriots place and i have no clue why you think it will be empty. It never is. that place is always pumping even on week days. Me and family head to dinner on weekdays as weekends are crazy.
__________________
NFL - A perfect american business model .
HarleyDavidson-Turning gas into noise for more than 100 yrs without the side effects of power and still making a tonne of money a great american business model.


To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
satz is offline  
Old 01-19-2011, 10:03 AM   #4
Veteran Starter w/Big Long Term Deal
 
ATippett56's Avatar
 

Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Houston, TX
Posts: 8,075
My Mood: Grumpy
Default Re: Our weekness on offence and draft

Quote:
Originally Posted by satz View Post
OL - I see 2 G/C in the draft and resign matt light. You do not want to have a brand new line . Light/vollmer/Kazur/Levour will be tackles.
Matt Light is an unrestricted free agent in 2011. Nick Kaczur will be returning from back surgery that he underwent in August. LeVoir needs to be replaced with a higher quality backup. Vollmer is the only viable offensive tackle on the roster under the age of 30.

Stephen Neal is injury prone and turns 35 years of age during the 2011 NFL season. Dan Connolly was abused in the 2010 AFC Divisional Playoffs. Dan Koppen can't be allowed to babysit for stiffs like Connolly and Wendell off the bench. The offensive line needs to be retooled during the 2011 NFL draft, starting with an offensive guard late in the first round or early in the second round, and an offensive tackle no later than the third round. Mike Pouncey from Florida should be available with either the #28 pick overall or the #33 pick overall in the 2011 NFL Draft.

Make no mistake, Tom Brady can't be allowed to take a physical beating like he did last Sunday during the course of a season.
__________________
The End of the Chad Ochostinko Era!
ATippett56 is offline  
Old 01-19-2011, 10:15 AM   #5
2nd Team Getting Their First Start
 
satz's Avatar
 

Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Attleboro,Ma
Posts: 1,907
Default Re: Our weekness on offence and draft

Quote:
Originally Posted by ATippett56 View Post
Make no mistake, Tom Brady can't be allowed to take a physical beating like he did last Sunday during the course of a season.
Agreed !. I always believed protection is a combination of talent on WR and OL.When WR start having issue the OL looks bad.

Both need to be improved. one big WR on the outside with speed and a good right gaurd will be high need.

Vollmer i am on the fence post concussion he struggled last year and this year once his shin got injured he was struggling. I am hestiant in giving him promotion due to injures and struggles. LT needs to be durable and consitent in my book.I will pick a OT at 17 if we can get one. all the good ones go fast. It either a OT or DT at 17 or even trade up. OLB are all conversion projects anyway so 2nd is high enough.
__________________
NFL - A perfect american business model .
HarleyDavidson-Turning gas into noise for more than 100 yrs without the side effects of power and still making a tonne of money a great american business model.


To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

Last edited by satz; 01-19-2011 at 10:17 AM..
satz is offline  
Old 01-19-2011, 11:03 AM   #6
All Pro Poster
 
PATRIOTSFANINPA's Avatar
 

Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Northeastern Pennsylvania
Posts: 15,254
My Mood: Bitchy
Default Re: Our weekness on offence and draft

The biggest weakness in this thread is the spelling in the title
PATRIOTSFANINPA is online now  
Old 01-19-2011, 11:10 AM   #7
Veteran Starter w/Big Long Term Deal
 
Patspsycho's Avatar
 

Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: 20 minutes from Foxboro
Posts: 9,930
Default Re: Our weekness on offence and draft

Quote:
Originally Posted by PATRIOTSFANINPA View Post
The biggest weakness in this thread is the spelling in the title
Satz's analysis is usually spot on. Unlike some people here, he knows what he is talking about, so the spelling doesn't bother me.
Patspsycho is offline  
Old 01-19-2011, 11:17 AM   #8
Veteran Starter w/Big Long Term Deal
 
ATippett56's Avatar
 

Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Houston, TX
Posts: 8,075
My Mood: Grumpy
Default Re: Our weekness on offence and draft

Quote:
Originally Posted by satz View Post
I will pick a OT at 17 if we can get one, all the good ones go fast. It either a OT or DT at 17 or even trade up. OLB are all conversion projects anyway so 2nd is high enough.
Based upon first observation, there seem to be plenty of good offensive tackles in the 2011 NFL Draft that don't require a selection with the 17th pick overall.

NFL Draft Scout----Powered By: The Sports Xchange

If the Patriots re-sign Matt Light for at least one additional year while Nick Kaczur fully recovers from back surgery, the number one priority on the offensive line is to draft an offensive right guard. With the 33rd pick overall, Mike Pouncey from Florida could be available since Belichick has an affinity for Gators football players. A backup offensive guard in the fifth or sixth round would be a bonus since I've seen enough of Dan Connolly.
__________________
The End of the Chad Ochostinko Era!
ATippett56 is offline  
Old 01-19-2011, 11:19 AM   #9
Veteran Starter w/Big Long Term Deal
 
ATippett56's Avatar
 

Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Houston, TX
Posts: 8,075
My Mood: Grumpy
Default Re: Our weekness on offence and draft

Quote:
Originally Posted by PATRIOTSFANINPA View Post
The biggest weakness in this thread is the spelling in the title
I guess the spelling is an offense to the offense?
__________________
The End of the Chad Ochostinko Era!
ATippett56 is offline  
Old 01-19-2011, 11:54 AM   #10
All Pro Poster
 
RayClay's Avatar
 

Join Date: Nov 2005
Posts: 15,643
My Mood: Amused
Default Re: Our weekness on offence and draft

Quote:
Originally Posted by satz View Post
So breaking down some aspects of the game

The the Jets did not play Man or Zone but a combination.The put there outside guys on Man. So deion and Tate were in man coverage. Deion got shutdown by revis. then they brought there safety down into the box and dropped the LB. playing a tight zone underneath.They shadowed one safety on tate side.

so you had 2 LB/3 DB or 1 LB/3 DB or 4 DB with 10-15 yrd of LOS pratically blanketing the wes/te routes shuting down the underneath routes

They targeted 2 players in particular
Danny woodhead - When he is pass protection they always at snaps changes the blitz or pressure making him read and pickit up. Similar to what clevland did.Faulk was a master at this.

tate - He was on ouside man and they even tryed wes but tate and tom never developed any rhythm during season and it showed. even in blow outs the OC need to say this is my thrid guy and i am going to call plays for him but the whole let brady read and distribute came to bite as he used to Wes and Deion but not tate.BY making him go to his 4th read it was like playing with a WR he is not used to.

So the way to beat this

1) Run the ball you have smaller guys so use your TE to set the edge and run between the tackles.We do it against the colts but we needed a Colts game plan. Run and Run till they are forced to bring more LB on the field as they had only 4 DL dressed for this game. When more LB come then go no huddle and use wes/te on them.

2)Outside WR have to develop some chemistry. Brady has to be given plays every game where tate/rookie wr/price have to be first/second reads.

Draft Some big uglies on defense

a good 3-4 end is going to help your OLB alot .Seymour sometimes drew double letting AD,vrabel or willie on a TE or RB. Right now tully , cunningham are rushing against tackles if we really need to improve pass rush get a bully like seymour. I loved his attitude. He was a bully on the DL who along with Vince created a favourable matchup for OLB to rush.Its not a conincidence that when Ty played his best year vrabel had 17 sacks.When you have a good 3-4 end you are helping your OLB alot.
Great analysis. Of course, if you run the ball well and they bring in linebackers, they are still stifling your WR with two cornerbacks. Nothing stopping them from bringing extra defensive backs in on other downs.

If you're running game is just wrecking them so they have to totally abandon playing the pass that's one thing, but I think Ryan would be fine with three yards and a cloud of dust while he tried to shorten the game on his side.

Many QBs would like to emulate Brady and go up by two or three touchdowns early too, but they don't have his talent and fail.

In my opinion, run or no, the Patriots need to be able to pass some and assuming Ryan is going to radically change his defense to stop our running game is quite an assumption.

By the way, I advocated just that in the giants SB, but that was a different game. They were waltzing in on the pass rush. The jets really weren't, they were clogging up our passing lanes and playing great man to man. They had lots of guys hanging around the middle of the field, not trying to blow by the line to the QB. Almost every sack was a coverage sack.
__________________
Quote:
WE ARE BUILDING A TEAM, NOT COLLECTING TALENT
RayClay is online now  
Closed Thread

Bookmarks

Sponsored Links



Thread Tools
Display Modes


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
NFL Announces 2010 Draft begins Thursday, April 22nd at 7pm for new 3 day draft PATRIOTSFANINPA PatsFans.com - Patriots Fan Forum 55 07-25-2009 07:39 AM
Communist party membership no longer a fireable offence in CA NEPatriot Political Discussion 5 06-16-2009 02:20 PM
Draft Gurus: Bottom-line, is there a Mayo-Esque Starting OLB in this draft? JSn Patriots Draft Talk 32 03-09-2009 08:18 AM
Early Season Offence: Brettlax3434 PatsFans.com - Patriots Fan Forum 23 03-08-2009 10:27 AM



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 10:15 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2013, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Search Engine Optimization by vBSEO 3.6.0 PL2

© Copyright 2000-2012. PatsFans.com Is a Partner of USA TODAY Sports Digital Properties.
The opinions posted in this forum do not necessarily reflect the opinions of our staff at PatsFans.com or USA Today.
We are not affiliated with the New England Patriots™ or the NFL™. The Photo Used In the header was taken by Ian Logue.

This site is owned and operated by I&K Internet Design Enterprises, LLC