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Old 11-16-2010, 06:54 PM   #21
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We focus alot on what we can add through the draft next year. The most important additions are likely to be Leigh Bodden and Ty Warren. It is unlikely that any draftee would help more.

With regard to the OL, the best choices out there in free agency or the draft may be Light and Mankins. Sure we can add a draft choice or two at these positions, but we have players that we KNOW can do the job.
I think this sentiment about next years potential echoes what my thoughts are. When trying to figure out what position to use our 1st 3 picks which are basically all 1st rounders with the form Carolina has displayed... i can't see any position on the roster where i can go yep... we need that filled if we are going to be a good team. you could say DE.. but Warren is back. Secondary depth... Bodden is back and you would hope Butler has progressed enough to be challenging Arrington and Wilhite. Our OL is Solid, our RB's, WR and TE's have all been solid and are by no means a weakness losing us games. I think this is one of those cases of a true just go out and Pick the best player available because really we have enough good bodies to cover the positions we don't Draft.

Maybe the one exception with crable being cut again is OLB but that is once again dependent on Cunningham Ninko and TBC who have all once again been serviceable.
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Old 11-16-2010, 07:11 PM   #22
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Ken - Great stuff as always.

However, we'll have to disagree on Koppen. While he did have a good game against Hampton, he's been highly inconsistent the last 2 years and he's blown more than a few blocks..

The Pats are going to need to look at OT, OG, and C in the draft, though OG might be less of a priority if Mankins is re-signed and with the way Connolly has played.
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I really hope we will be re-signing Mankins. It really bothers me to hear the local media discussing bringing him to the cesspool down here in D.C.
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I really hope we will be re-signing Mankins. It really bothers me to hear the local media discussing bringing him to the cesspool down here in D.C.
I really think unless they have agreed otherwise. We'll franchise Mankins next year so we will at least have him one more year. He did seem to have a solid game out there
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I really think unless they have agreed otherwise. We'll franchise Mankins next year so we will at least have him one more year. He did seem to have a solid game out there
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Do you really think the patrtiots will pay Mankins between $10M and $11m ofr one year's service? And do you really think that the patriots would take that much cap money out of the early free agency market?

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....Just some comments on some stuff I haven't read or heard much about. Pardon any redundancy.
Nice post Ken. I'm going to select a couple items to address. although everyone is a great discussion point.

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1.Matt Light
You can always count on Matt Light playing well every time this boars starts ripping hm. Contrary to popular belief his perfromance against top pass rushers has been excellent. I did the numbers last year, and maybe I can find them for the Freeney example, which IIRC was soemthing like Freeney having 2 sacks in his last 7 games vs Light.
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5. I was almost certain that when we drafted next April, the first pick off our board would be the best 3-4 DE candidate available. Now I'm not so sure. Right now the Pats are using so many different DL groupings it hard on TV to keep track of who exactly is in there, But it looks like Deadrick and Brace have passed Gerard Warren, or are at least interchangeable with him. As Deadrick and Brace are seemingly on the upswing, Wilfolk just entering his prime, and Wright, Pryor, and Warren as effective depth. Maybe taking a DE that high might NOT be the best use of that asset. Wouldn't Ty Warren who is likely to come back better since he'll be truly healthy for the first time a few years, be LIKE that impact draft pick, only without the learning curve.
Warren missing 2010 could be a blessing in disguise because he will be 100% for the first time in a while, and we have gotten experience for the youngsters. I REALLY like what I have seen from Brace. I think he will develop into a Ty Warren type of player. With Deadreick and Wright also here, not to mention Pryor, and the youth and upside a high pick isnt necessary, but if the right player is there, BB will take him.

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6. Still picking a RB in that slot (whatever it is) doesn't look like a great idea either. There are just too many examples of effective running backs being had in the lower rounds. BJGE is a perfect example right here, but so are Peyton Hillis, and the kid in TB, Blunt (IIRC), and many many others. We definitely NEED an infusion of young RBs, but is it worth a #1?
Seems a veteran FA is more likely than a draft choice.


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I can't help but think how our secondary will look when Bodden comes back. I could be that our current "pro bowl" Safety might be the 4th best player on the back line....and lots of more experienced depth for all the various sub D's. A VERY exciting prospect
Its hard to standout on our defense. Its a team defense concept and players are asked to do everything required of their position and be complete. Many defenses build schemes around the strengths of the players and that gets the players attention. That said, McCourty and Chung show up and get attention. Thats reason enough to know they are special.

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10. Rothlessberger might be a horrible person and an un-indicted sex offender,
Since you mentioned it, a chance for a side rant. Why is it that when athletes who are bad people do well on the playing feel the media talks of their great story of redemption? I heard it all day with Vick. His redemption isnt how he plays football, its not because an awful human. Playing well has nothing to do with that. Sorry, way OT



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We are a good team, but not good enough YET to be able to overcome sloppy play. If we bring our A game, and follow the plan, we will win this game at home.
I look at this from the other side. We may have never been good enough to overcome sloppy play but part of why we were so good is that we were never sloppy. Especially in the Championship years. It may be that from 05-09 we became better at overcomng sloppiness, yet became much more sloppy.

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The record vs sub 500 teams in the Brady era is remarkably good. Good to the tune of the Browns loss may have been something like the 3rd ever.

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15. You will never convince me that Merriweather committed PI on that play. It looked to me that it was the WR who initiated the contact. I know that PFW in Progress guys all think it was PI (except Fred, of course), but I still can't see it.
Unfortunately the NFL and some officials think the offensive player has a right to run unimpeded to the ball and if the defender arrives at the same time or sooner to make a play on the ball contact is his fault in every case. It almost seems as if they see contact grab a flag and figure it must be D.


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Do you really think the patrtiots will pay Mankins between $10M and $11m ofr one year's service? And do you really think that the patriots would take that much cap money out of the early free agency market?
10-11m? Maybe i am mistaken then. I thought the franchise number for a guard was closer to 8-9million
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You can always count on Matt Light playing well every time this boars starts ripping hm. Contrary to popular belief his perfromance against top pass rushers has been excellent. I did the numbers last year, and maybe I can find them for the Freeney example, which IIRC was soemthing like Freeney having 2 sacks in his last 7 games vs Light.
I find it amusing how a LT can stop a great pass rusher 38 out of 40 times and get killed by media and fans for the 2 times he loses the battle.

Light is still a top 10-15 LT and a reliable asset. His key asset is that you know what you are going to get, so you can be prepared in those rare occasions that he's the mismatch. I think he's smart enough to know how this organization works, and he likes it here, so I'm sure his contract demands will be reasonable. I think he'll get another contract UNLESS, someone else makes him an offer he can't refuse, or he wants too man years.

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Warren missing 2010 could be a blessing in disguise because he will be 100% for the first time in a while, and we have gotten experience for the youngsters. I REALLY like what I have seen from Brace. I think he will develop into a Ty Warren type of player. With Deadreick and Wright also here, not to mention Pryor, and the youth and upside a high pick isnt necessary, but if the right player is there, BB will take him.
Ditto, the more I think on it, the better I feel about our DL next year. We will not only get Warren back, but a very good and healthy Warren. His immediate impact will be bigger than ANY potential draft pick.

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Since you mentioned it, a chance for a side rant. Why is it that when athletes who are bad people do well on the playing feel the media talks of their great story of redemption? I heard it all day with Vick. His redemption isnt how he plays football, its not because an awful human. Playing well has nothing to do with that. Sorry, way OT
While I agree completely on Ben, Vick is another story for me. I see him as a guy who did horrible things, but he paid the price for his actions and repented. He not only cleaned up his act on the field but off it as well. I can forgive a guy like that. Plus who would have thought that after 2 years away from the game he could come back and within a year and a half elevate his game from being just a very exciting but not very effective QB, into simply a very effective QB...who is exciting to watch.

On a side note. Vick's improvement is just another feather in the cap of Andy Reid. Either this kid didn't get good coaching in Atlanta, or perhaps the old Mike Vick wouldn't take coaching until he had his epiphany courtesy of the federal gov't. Just another reason to root for him.

As to Ben. This guy was a complete ********* in college...and didn't change his ways until this last dust up. The fact he wasn't indicted doesn't forgive his well documented actions. Frankly a few months of a well choreographed PR job, doesn't make up for several years of bad/criminal behavior. I can admire his athletic ability, but he will need to show me a lot more before the stench of his GA escapade washes off.

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I look at this from the other side. We may have never been good enough to overcome sloppy play but part of why we were so good is that we were never sloppy. Especially in the Championship years. It may be that from 05-09 we became better at overcomng sloppiness, yet became much more sloppy.
This is a great insight. Back in the Championship years, we were the little engine that could. The team that could aways overcome, but had very little margin of error. Now we are back to being "that" team....and that's a good thing.

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Unfortunately the NFL and some officials think the offensive player has a right to run unimpeded to the ball and if the defender arrives at the same time or sooner to make a play on the ball contact is his fault in every case. It almost seems as if they see contact grab a flag and figure it must be D.
Its kind of sad commentary that when we play the Colts that I factor in at least 2 very questionable PI/contact calls per game. With most teams I don't feel this way, but when we play the Colts and Steelers, its seems like a fairly called game is the exception rather than the rule.

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