Joker

I guess someone should tell Larry Brown he is a bad basketball coach since the criteria of being fired repeatedly after short stints with teams is the measuring stick.

nice pretzel logic...why not compare a girls field hockey team coach with an NFL coach next? Every thread you're in seems to find you being a condescending, contentious jerk.

PatriotsReign

You're right Joker! Sanvara tends to stick to her arguments even when she has none

She should show us how/why Phillips is a good coach. And she'd need a lot more than the fact the Cowboys are 11-1

Larry Brown's coaching history includes 5 head coaching tenures of 4 years or more (5,5,4,4 & 6)...that's 24 years of coaching. The fact that he has been employed as a head coach continuously since 1972 without a year off clearly shows the respect his coaching ability draws.

As a reference, here's his record;

Larry Brown
1972-74 Carolina Cougars (ABA)
1974-79 Denver Nuggets (ABA until 1976, then NBA)
1979-81 UCLA (NCAA)
1981-83 New Jersey Nets (NBA)
1983-88 University of Kansas (NCAA)
1988-92 San Antonio Spurs (NBA)
1992-93 Los Angeles Clippers (NBA)
1993-97 Indiana Pacers (NBA)
1997-2003 Philadelphia 76ers (NBA; 6 years)
2003-05 Detroit Pistons (NBA)
2005-06 New York Knicks (NBA)

Summary
College: 1 National Championship, 3 Final Fours in 7 seasons
Pro: 1 Championship, 3 Conference Championships, 10 Division Championships, 25 Playoff appearances in 26 seasons

How on earth did Sanvara ever compare Larry Brown with Wade Phillips?

PatriotsReign

Then let's try this little exercise Sanvara. Prove to me Wade's record shows he's a good coach. Notice I didn't say "excellent coach" because we both know he can't be included in such a conversation.

I can't believe you tried to bring Larry Brown into your argument. Wade Phillips is irrelevant in a discussion of coaches with Larry Brown's coaching skills.

While Larry Brown has been employed continously as a head coach since 1972, Wade Phillips has had gaps of 9, 4 & 4 years between 3 of his 4 head coaching jobs. The 2 HC jobs that were consecutive lasted 1 year each.

Look, I'm the only posting facts that support Phillips is not a good coach. It's your turn to post FACTS proving I'm wrong....

I'm waiting...

PatriotsReign

So according to you, Phillips rebuilt the Bills in 2 years and is responsible for the 10-6 & 11-5 records of '98 & '99? Really? Please tell us how any coach (let alone Wade Phillips) dramatically changed the Bills personnel in 1 year to achieve this. And finally, after this miraculous rebuilding, why the Bills go 8-8 in 2000?

SteveTHEyankee

He looks like his daddy Bum, head coach Houston Oilers and the Saints, did in the 70's. He had a babby face too. Bum is still alive and well in SF CA

PatriotsReign

Always nice to quiet the infamous Ms Sanvara

PaulNEPats

Wade Phillips is the most annoying person to watch on the sidelines. He has the demeanor of a 5 year old.

LasVegasPatsFan

NIETHER. He looks like Coach Red Beaulieu on the Water Boy movie. Anyone have a pic you can post? "Boy, are you sttttuuppidd!!!

sanvara

I wasn't comparing Wade to Larry Brown. I was pointing out the flawed logic of your assertion that if you keep getting fired you can't be a good coach. As anyone who has any insight to team and coaching culture knows, teams change their head coach for many reasons and being a "bad coach" is only one of many reasons why this happens. For you to say that Wade keeps getting fired, and this means he is a bad coach indicates to me you have a lack of insight into the many reasons why coaching changes happen.

I didn't say Wade Phillips rebuilt any teams. You don't always need to dramatically change personnel to be successful. Sometimes minor changes and a different coaching style and strategy works for a particular team and surpasses what the previous coach was able to do.

Case in point the Lakers of 1999-2000. Before Phil Jackson arrived they were being swept out of the playoffs. He arrives and they win three championships in a row with the same personnel. Did Phil rebuild the Lakers? No. Did he do a hell of a coaching job? Yes.

Also, case in point the 2007 Dallas Cowboys. Did Wade rebuild the Cowboys? No. Has he done an excellent coaching job and surpassed what Parcells was able to do the year before with the same personnel? Yes.

Coaches don't always get fired (or "resign") because they are incompetent. There are many reasons why teams fire coaches. Sometimes it's a matter of trying to find the right fit for a team, and a particular coach can be the missing piece to the puzzle. Also, at times, you just need to change the coaching culture of a team to breath new life into a team and get a team re-energized.

It's only the exceptional coaches that can keep players motivated and performing at their highest level over the long haul of running a team for many years. I don't put Wade in the exceptional category as he has not shown he belongs there. Basically he's a pretty astute and knowledgeable football guy, a very good coordinator, and someone who has shown the ability to have some success as a head coach for brief periods of time, as he has shown with a couple teams now. He has also shown that he is usually going to keep a team competitive. He's never had a record below 7-9 over the course of a season. He may not have the staying power to continue the success he has had with the Cowboys so far over the long haul, but if he has the skills to elevate a team's level of play for a couple years where the previous coach was unable to do so, that is an ability that has some value.

Joker: How's that for pretzel logic?

captain stone

Wade Phillips reminds me of:

a pasty-colored blob of shyte.

'Cause that's what he is.

Start Rob Johnson instead of Flutie? Eff him. And eff JJ, Romo and TO, too.

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