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Old 11-26-2007, 09:58 AM   #1
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-A win is a win is a win. We have been saying that for 7 years, but some people seem to have forgotten. You get no more points for winning 56-10 than you do for winning 31-28. 11-0 is 11-0.
-Is there any doubt the Eagles were MUCH better with Feeley than they would have been with McNab? McNab simply cannot make the throws down the field that Feeley made.
-We have been the best 3rd down defense in the NFL all season long. I wont let one game tell me we all of a sudden arent good. The only issue with our defense was 3rd downs. That included 3 pretty long 3rd down TD passes. I am not concerned about our defense.
-I hope that teams follow the 'blueprint' Madden was talking about. If there is one thing I can be sure of, it is that if you tell BB what the other team is going to do, we can't lose. Remember, this is still a game-plan based team, so I hope everyone tries to beat the gameplan we used last night, because we will be 3 steps ahead of them.
-I thought the PI on Moss was a terrible call.
-I thought Gostkowski made the kick.
-Ellis Hobbs is a very good KO returner.
-I think BB should draft a Devin Hester kind of guy to only return kicks. I supposed we will be trading down from the SF pick, so we will have more picks than spots for them. I'd like to see a great KR guy drafted in the 2nd-4th round, even if he does nothing else. Imagine the 2007 Pats, with Hester back returning kicks.
-I cannot believe the Cardinals F-ed up our draft slot. They looked like they were trying to lose.
-Brady is incredible.(By the way as of now he is on a pace for 5002 passing yards) (oh yeah, and 57TDs, with only 6 Ints) But I didn't like the gameplan last night. I was OK with it for the first drive or 2. But, what we really ended doing was allowing the Eagles to overplay the passing game. The sacks that happened were guys rushing the QB without thinking about the run. It was much easier for the coverages to make it harder on our passing game when their was no threat to run. I absolutely think that if you give me one drive, coming out 4-5 wides, no huddle, and throwin gevery down with this team gives you a great chance to score TDs, but over the course of a game, you are allowing the D to cheat to the pass and the pass rush.
-I said just before the game, that this one may be tougher than expected. My thinking was Jimmy Johnson is a good DC, he likes to blitz, he has won a lot with scheme. He will do SOMETHING to limit us, and quite frankly with McNab out, the Eagles should be much better on offense. I said, 'not tougher that we could lose, but tougher that it may not be a blowout'.
-In a game where our D had a poor night, where there D did some stuff to make it harder on us (which our gameplan may have contributed to) the difference was our guy doesnt turn the ball over, and their guy throws 3 picks.
-I was surprised we didnt see more of Watson in the spread. Gaffney had a very nice game, but I think Watson adds something to that formation.
-Just had a falsh of memory of a pass completion (I think it was a 3rd down) to Shobel, when the Pats blitzed and the S (Sanders I think) bumped and ran with Shobel, and Feeley, under pressure chucked it up. Shobel BLATANTLY shoved off of Sanders, as the ball was in the air. (Sorry, if details are fuzzy, just now rememebered this) If that was off PI how could Moss PI have ever been called.
-It was very interesting listening to Samuel, Welker, BB, and Brady interviewed after the game, that each of them sounded like this was a loss. They all said a lot more "we need to play better" than "we won".
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Old 11-26-2007, 10:00 AM   #2
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You get no more points for winning 56-10 than you do for winning 31-28. 11-0 is 11-0.
Then why is one of the tie breakers Points Scored?
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-Is there any doubt the Eagles were MUCH better with Feeley than they would have been with McNab? McNab simply cannot make the throws down the field that Feeley made.

-I thought the PI on Moss was a terrible call.

-I thought Gostkowski made the kick.

-Ellis Hobbs is a very good KO returner.

-I think BB should draft a Devin Hester kind of guy to only return kicks. I supposed we will be trading down from the SF pick, so we will have more picks than spots for them. I'd like to see a great KR guy drafted in the 2nd-4th round, even if he does nothing else. Imagine the 2007 Pats, with Hester back returning kicks.

-I cannot believe the Cardinals F-ed up our draft slot. They looked like they were trying to lose.

-Brady is incredible.

-Just had a falsh of memory of a pass completion (I think it was a 3rd down) to Shobel, when the Pats blitzed and the S (Sanders I think) bumped and ran with Shobel, and Feeley, under pressure chucked it up. Shobel BLATANTLY shoved off of Sanders, as the ball was in the air. (Sorry, if details are fuzzy, just now rememebered this) If that was off PI how could Moss PI have ever been called.

-It was very interesting listening to Samuel, Welker, BB, and Brady interviewed after the game, that each of them sounded like this was a loss. They all said a lot more "we need to play better" than "we won".
- McNabb is on his last legs in Philly. Fans no it too.

-You and everyone else

- I didnt

- Indeed

- Belichick was asked this question by a reporter in the offseason. He said he hates having one dimentional players like that. Kind of thinks its a waste of a active player and it takes away from the game. Adding to much situational players for a part of the game. Compared if to LOOGY's in baseball.

- I dont want a high pick and neither do the Patriots. This is a good thing.

- Nuff Said

- Egh, i watched it in high def went back and viewed that play. Sanders was beat, the guy never touched him and Sanders jumped up asking for a flag. Debating calls is useless both ways.

- Welker: "I can see Belichick calling me over and hes the one man i take over you Andrea" All of them are set in place. Perfect.
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-A win is a win is a win. We have been saying that for 7 years, but some people seem to have forgotten. You get no more points for winning 56-10 than you do for winning 31-28. 11-0 is 11-0.
-Brady is incredible.(By the way as of now he is on a pace for 5002 passing yards) (oh yeah, and 57TDs, with only 6 Ints) But I didn't like the game plan last night. I was OK with it for the first drive or 2. But, what we really ended doing was allowing the Eagles to overplay the passing game. The sacks that happened were guys rushing the QB without thinking about the run. It was much easier for the coverages to make it harder on our passing game when their was no threat to run. I absolutely think that if you give me one drive, coming out 4-5 wides, no huddle, and throwing every down with this team gives you a great chance to score TDs, but over the course of a game, you are allowing the D to cheat to the pass and the pass rush.
-It was very interesting listening to Samuel, Welker, BB, and Brady interviewed after the game, that each of them sounded like this was a loss. They all said a lot more "we need to play better" than "we won".
Thanks Andy, a win is a win. The most important thing is the team continues to improve. The best team doesn't always win in the playoffs, the team that plays the best wins.

Offensive gameplan - I think they were trying to mitigate the pressure schemes of the Eagles. It will be interesting to see how much they use the spread against the Ravens and Steelers, both are very good defenses. Against the Jets and Dolphins I suspect we will see more of a smash mouth style, both teams are so poor there is no real need to get elaborate. It may be part of the master plan to have confidence in various formations going into the playoffs. There has been wildly different looks both on offense and defense, provides a distinct game plan advantage in January.

"we need to play better" maybe not better but they will have to improve. Like sharks to blood every team for here on out will be attacking the secondary. Most teams don't have an offensive line close to the Eagles (didn't the Giants get 8+ sacks against this same line?), plus Feeley was was really feeling it.

Game over, time to move on, lets hope the injuries are only superficial.
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I'm not one to blame the refs, but three non-calls came to mind:
• On the fourth down attempt by NE, Randy Moss was contacted illegally more than five yards downfield as the ball was in the air. No call, ball turned over on downs.

• On the Eagles' second-to-last possession, 3rd and 3, Junior Seau blitzed and was held by Westbrook (you can see Westbrook behind him with his arm wrapped around Seau's waist). No call, pass completed, first down.

• This didn't determine the outcome, but it was blatant: as James Sanders intercepts Feeley with 11 second left, the Eagles WR (Brown) grabs his facemask and rips him down to the ground. No call.

If the refs are going to let guys play, great, but letting Moss get bumped downfield and then calling PI on him in the end zone made no sense to me.

Dropped passes, missed blocks, false starts, loose coverage in the middle of the field. All fixable. Good to learn the lessons that a loss would have provided without actually losing.
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- McNabb is on his last legs in Philly. Fans no it too.

-You and everyone else

- I didnt

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- Belichick was asked this question by a reporter in the offseason. He said he hates having one dimentional players like that. Kind of thinks its a waste of a active player and it takes away from the game. Adding to much situational players for a part of the game. Compared if to LOOGY's in baseball.

- I dont want a high pick and neither do the Patriots. This is a good thing.

- Nuff Said

- Egh, i watched it in high def went back and viewed that play. Sanders was beat, the guy never touched him and Sanders jumped up asking for a flag. Debating calls is useless both ways.

- Welker: "I can see Belichick calling me over and hes the one man i take over you Andrea" All of them are set in place. Perfect.
You want the 49ers to win, and for us to get a worse pick? That makes no sense. I'm sure we are trading down. I'd rather trade down from 1 or 2 than 11 or 12.

You must have watched a different play, on the one I saw the TE, absolutely shoved Sanders out of the way.
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You must have watched a different play, on the one I saw the TE, absolutely shoved Sanders out of the way.
He is ABSOLUTELY thinking of a different play. The one you described, AJ, was a no-brainer push-off.
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What's happened to to Kyle Brady? I don't recall hearing his name called since the bye.
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You want the 49ers to win, and for us to get a worse pick? That makes no sense. I'm sure we are trading down. I'd rather trade down from 1 or 2 than 11 or 12.

You must have watched a different play, on the one I saw the TE, absolutely shoved Sanders out of the way.
Andy - Its much harder to trade out of the #1 and #2 slots because of the money involved than it was 5 years ago..
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Andy - Its much harder to trade out of the #1 and #2 slots because of the money involved than it was 5 years ago..
Its still better to trade out of 1 or 2 than out of 11 or 12.
I dont think the money involved, compared to 5 years ago is such a big issue, if you look at it from a % of the cap standpoint.
Your post makes it sound like teams don't want top 5 picks, where in reality they drool over them.
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