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Old 11-07-2007, 09:53 AM   #11
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Tony Kornholio needs someone to step up and douse that dead rat on his head with lighter fluid....what a dyam freak
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Old 11-07-2007, 09:59 AM   #12
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Calling it jaywalking is a good metaphor. I called it a minor misdemeanor. It was all about the location of the camera and nothing more. How insignificant can that be?

The media is hands off on the Jets and Colts little screwups this year. No traction there because one team is pathetic and the other team is led by a Saint and is trying to defeat all evil on the planet.
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I posted on another thread that Michael Kay, the yankees broadcaster/new york radio homer, blasted Shula yesterday for this, saying basically he sounds like a bitter old man trying to hold onto his glory.
Michael Kay? A poor gauge. As ANY Jets fan, he hates Don Shula with a seething white hot passion, and wishes that his next golf swing would cause his brittle bones to snap like seasoned kindling, and that he would crumple up into a a well-stacked pile for a winter of burning.
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Michael Kay? A poor gauge. As ANY Jets fan, he hates Don Shula with a seething white hot passion, and wishes that his next golf swing would cause his brittle bones to snap like seasoned kindling, and that he would crumple up into a a well-stacked pile for a winter of burning.
I think Jets fans hate the Pats more than the Dolphins by now. Point is, he and his partner are pretty typical, follow-the-crowd types, and their instinctive reaction to Shula was that he sounded like a nut.
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It shouldn't even be called "spygate" it should be called "video-out-in-the-open-gate" lol Don Shula a former HC is a credible source, but Shanahan a current HC isn't?
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I think Jets fans hate the Pats more than the Dolphins by now. Point is, he and his partner are pretty typical, follow-the-crowd types, and their instinctive reaction to Shula was that he sounded like a nut.
Younger Jets fans, maybe. For grizzled older bastards such as I - Don Shula deserves a nice long soak in a pool of piranha and electric eels.
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Younger Jets fans, maybe. For grizzled older bastards such as I - Don Shula deserves a nice long soak in a pool of piranha and electric eels.
I did take a run through Jets Insider yesterday, and I was really surprised at the venom that was being spewed towards Shula and anything Dolphin, even when it involved the Pats.
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Ken, it's not happening. No matter what you or anyone else wants, the Patriots don't go around talking (or thinking) about anything that changes their focus from winning the next football game.

I was pretty disappointed about the PTI reaction. What substance or facts did Don Shula have to offer? Absolutely nothing! He had an opinion - and didn't even back it up with any facts or reasoning (such as exactly how this videotaping gave the Patriots a significant edge). For thinking people who value credible opinions, this isn't much of an issue. For those who weigh opinions as important or even more important than facts and carefully considered reasoning, this is indeed an important pronouncement.

Fortunately, it appears that America is speaking and that they don't agree with the PTI take. PTI - which I love and watch most every day - is all about opinions and very little about facts. The story is more about what they think than what happened. That's fine, that's what their show is about. Perhaps they overvalue themselves or what they're doing because of the weight that they are giving Don Shula's opinion.
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Ken, it's not happening. No matter what you or anyone else wants, the Patriots don't go around talking (or thinking) about anything that changes their focus from winning the next football game.

I was pretty disappointed about the PTI reaction. What substance or facts did Don Shula have to offer? Absolutely nothing! He had an opinion - and didn't even back it up with any facts or reasoning (such as exactly how this videotaping gave the Patriots a significant edge). For thinking people who value credible opinions, this isn't much of an issue. For those who weigh opinions as important or even more important than facts and carefully considered reasoning, this is indeed an important pronouncement.

Fortunately, it appears that America is speaking and that they don't agree with the PTI take. PTI - which I love and watch most every day - is all about opinions and very little about facts. The story is more about what they think than what happened. That's fine, that's what their show is about. Perhaps they overvalue themselves or what they're doing because of the weight that they are giving Don Shula's opinion.
I agree. However, I think that once this season is over, a lot more of the real truth is going to start to come out. People will start talking to the media about what REALLY happens in all NFL stadiums every Sunday.

It's interesting that the media has dubbed the incident "spygate", "cameragate" or various other references to the Watergate Scandal. Because I think that it is the NFL that is engaged in a coverup here, to try to sell their squeaky clean image. After all, isn't that why Goodell was hired and given the mission of rooting out the Pacmans and other undesirables who would taint that image?

Anyone who doesn't think that is Goodell's charter hasn't been paying attention. So when the league's preeminent franchise got caught crossing a line (even if it was just a cross-walk line) he came down hard on them. But neither the NFL owners nor Goodell want the public to know the real extent to which this kind of thing goes on.

But, like Watergate, which didn't really start to unravel until almost a year after the breakin took place, eventually this coverup will unravel too. A Deep Throat type will come forward and start whispering to reporters. A Woodard-Bernstein equivalent will continue to write up the various inconsistencies and irregularities in the official story and will continue to investigate as the details slowly emerge.

What the Patriots did will not only come to be seen as business as usual, but rather tame by comparison. In the final analysis, the real bad guys will turn out to be the league itself, and the Patriots will be seen as just another team playing by the system that the league set up, and the talk of asterisks and tainted Super Bowls will be seen in context.

At least, that's what I hope will happen! Don't get me wrong, I still feel that BB hurt the fans by exposing the team's reputation to this kind of accusations they are now receiving, but I think that when seen in the future with the greater perspective of time and history and additional information that the true nature of this incident as "aggravated jaywalking" will be universally accepted.
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It's over !! Seriously, Shula is wacked. How can this new record be tainted by something that was done in the past ?? No one agrees with him, but that won't stop the networks from trying to hype it to draw attention to their shows, but they'll look like fools
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