Slagathor

My understanding is the camera was confiscated early in the game.

By then the Jets would have been able to alter their signals.

From that point, the Pats ass-kicking began. Especially after the half.

Can somebody clarify this for me?

Am I right on this stuff..?

I know we're moving on to SD...................

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SWelker

Nope, you are correct on all points. Time for the Chargers.

Lets the Jets fan whine about this for the next 5 years, you know they won't be playing in any big games come January anyways.

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Sean Pa Patriot

The camera was caught early, the game was won by the Patriots, as was the other games that they have in the last 7 yrs...


The thing that bugs me is that this is cloud will be with us for ever... Nothing is going to be legit anymore in eyes outside New England...

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We going to take it one game at a time

BradyManny

I agree, and it makes me sick b/c there's no logic to that thought.

BoltsFan

I understand what you're trying to say. The pats would have spanked arse with or without. I agree. But that's not the point.

Here's the point. The rules are what they are and NE violated them. For that the franchise should be punished. Period. End of story. Trust me, BB understands this.

Slagathor

Who cares...........................!!!!!!!!!!!!

We were on an Island for the past 6-7 years anyways.

Trust me. Continued success will diminish most of that cloud as time goes on.

Eventually those who will continue to cast that cloud will be called whiners.

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Fogbuster

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Did we ever hear about that guy with the camera and Jets' shirt filming the Pats?? Was that a genuine photo of the guy or just a photoshop insert??

If it was real, what was the explanation of that guy, a cameraman filming from the Jets' sideline, a cameraman who was not wearing proper identification, a cameraman who was not even supposed to be shooting film during the game, at least according to my reading of the rule that was published along side BB's punishment.



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Slagathor

I'm not arguing the whole rule breaking part of it. They deserved to be punished. My point being that whatever actual benefit the camera could have provided was eliminated very early in the game.

Hence some folks calling for game forfeiture seems way off base to me.

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mgteich

The Commissioner found that there was no harm to the jets. That's not the issue.

However, let's consider if you had an illegal loaded gun pointed at someone's head and the gun is taken away from you.

1) Are you guilty of carrying an illegal firearm even thought this is a minor offense next to murder, and given that there are many other illegal weapons with the same purpose as a gun?

2) Should we applaud or be distain your action if you are our friend or buddy or if the person your pointing at is Mangini?

3) Are you guilty of attempted murder? Or should we simply believe that we didn't know what you were going to do with the gun?

Just because the patriots weren't allowed to using any output of the film during the game doesn't inform us whether they would have done so, or not. BTW, one COULD argue that being forced to change you signals midgame is harm, not true in this case since Mangini was well-aware of Belichick's tactics and had three sets of signals.

Belichick broke the law and the law won. Let's move on. And yes, let's change the law/rule.

sieglo

The Pats never had a chance to do anything with the film in the camera -- even if they had intended to, which they deny.

The historical record shows that if the Pats were breaking down signal film and trying to use it for an advantage over halftime, they failed miserably:

Analysis of playoff scoring by half

Finally, the Commissioner came out and stated flat out there was no impact on the Jets game.