robertweathers

We all know that the BeliPioli have hit the jackpot in the draft on a number of players. Seeing that my workload is a little light today, I thought I might try to do some analysis to see what their sucess rate is based on player contribution as it relates to where the player was drafted. I.E, the lower a player was drafted and the more they contribute, the higher the mark. Scoring goes like this. 0 is didnt make the team. 1 is terrible. 5 is pick = production. 10 is home run on a log shot or has been tremendous for the team.

Supposidly, if you get 2 starters and 3 backups in a draft, you are ahead of the game.

Again, the scale is based on VALUE. Let the discussion begin!

2000
2 Adrian Klemm -3- had value in a trade to GB
3 J.R. Redmond -3- had some moments in 2001, but still dissapointed
4 Greg Robinson-Randall -5- was a starter on SB team
5a Dave Stachelski -0
5b Jeff Marriott -1
6a Antwan Harris -4- had some moments for a 6th rounder
6b Tom Brady -10
6c David Nugent -1
7a Casey Tisdale -0
7b Patrick Pass -7- his contributions for a 7th rounder was excellent

Score: 34- Brady & Pass made their draft. Other than that, very marginal w/o
BB being the #1 pick doen't count!

2001

1 Richard Seymour -9. even at #6, hes a pot'l HoFer
2 Matt Light - 8 almost a probowler. solid
3 Brock Williams -0
4a Kenyatta Jones -1
4b Jabari Holloway -0
5 Hakim Akbar -0
6a Arther Love -0
6b Leonard Myers -1
7a Owen Pochman -0- doing well for the G-men
7b T.J. Turner -0

Score: 19- Sey and Light saved their draft. Otherwise poor

2002
1 Daniel Graham -4- solid, but not #1 pick production.
2 Deion Branch -8- solid production
4a Rohan Davey -1- did nothing
4b Jarvis Green -7- great value
7a Antwoine Womack -0
7b David Givens-8- great, great value for a 7th rounder.

Total: 28- for only 6 picks, excellent

2003
Ty Warren - 8- a star in the making
2a Eugene Wilson 6- should be a 7, but injuries have slowed him
2b Bethel Johnson 3- showed flashes in 2003 and helped the team
4a Dan Klecko - 4- had some value
4b Asante Samuel -8 great value for a 4th rounder
5 Dan Koppen -8- see Samuel
6 Kliff Kingsbury -0
7a Spencer Nead -0
7b Tully Banta-Cain -7-not bad for a 7th rounder
7c Ethan Kelley -1

Score 45- Put us over the top in 03 and 04. 10 picks but did very well

2004
1a Vince Wilfork - 7- almost at Warren level
1b Benjamin Watson -5- about where he should be for a #1
2b Marquise Hill -1 -all due respect to the departed, but was a bust
3 Guss Scott - 2- did some stuff
4a Dexter Reid -2- see Scott
4b Cedric Cobbs - 1
5 P.K. Sam -1. did well with the Ravens before getting hurt
7 Christian Morton -0

Special Case: Randall Gay- 8- UFA saves the secondary in 04.

Score: 27. Wilfork & Gay saved the draft. watson should improve too. Weak otherwise.

Getting a little tougher to judge. Jury still out.
2005

1 Logan Mankins -7. Solid .Probowl this year gets him up there
3a Ellis Hobbs -6. Hes a starter with more room to grow
3b Nick Kaczur -4 Ups and downs. maybe a little dissapointing
4 James Sanders -5. Upward trajectory. Good backup. making a move this year
5 Ryan Claridge -0
7a Matt Cassel -6- Production and performance is overall sketchy, but should have some trade value and has done well in games. Bradys pony in the barn has value.
7b Andy Stokes -0

Score: 28- mankins, hobbs and sanders can make this draft exceptional

2006
1 Laurence Maroney -6 -Amazing potential. stay healthy!
2 Chad Jackson -3- had some TDs last year. Dissaponting so far
3 David Thomas -4- should emerge and catch 20--30 balls this year
4a Garrett Mills -1- done nothing yet. still hurt
4b Stephen Gostkowski -7- making us forget about #4. Nice pick
5a Ryan O'Callaghan -6- very nice value in the 5th round.
6a Jeremy Mincey -1- didnt do much last year. might emerge this year
6b Dan Stevenson -0
6c Le Kevin Smith -1 could make the team
7 Willie Andrews -2 good STer

Score: 31 - Seems high to to me, but value per pick seems in line.

2007 (Projected)- What the hell. The whole thing is subjective anyway. I did go to one practice...
1 Brandon Meriweather - 5- This kid will make an impact and justify the pick. No question.
4 Kareem Brown -3 Should make the team as a backup.
5 Clint Oldenburg -1- maybe a PQ
6a Justin Rogers - 1 -I'm up in the air on this guy. Good size. PQ
6b Mike Richardson -5- He makes this team. Something about him.Good value
6c Justise Hairston - 1-IR- should be an incomplete
6d Corey Hilliard -0 cut
7 Oscar Lua - 1- PQ until he learns the D
7 Mike Elgin - 0 cut.

Score: 16- Way too early I know. Gut tells me it's a weak draft. Because of our depth, might see some guys get picked up by other teams.

IMO, 2000, 2001 were thin but critical drafts as we picked up our franchise QB and best defensive player and anchor for the O-Line. 2002, 2003, 2004 were solid drafts as complimentary players were added and potential pro-bowlers in Warren and Koppen were added. 2005 and 2007 seem thin, but solid. 2006 IMO is right behind 2003 for being the best. Time will tell!

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robertweathers

Hmmm. Dillon for a 2nd rounder...I'd say that was a 7 w/ a easy grading scale. 1 good year. 1 less than good year and 1 monster season and a SB. Maybe it's an 8. ;-).

If they even partially contributed on a SB team, thats worth a point.

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Crazy Patriot Guy

Not bad. If anything I would say you were a little too tough in grading.

I do disagree though on Graham. I would put him at a 7, 6 at the lowest. His exceptional blocking ability is what lowered his production, not his receiving skills. He was forced into blocking more than we should have used him there. I think we saw the playmaking ability he has when he was given the chance, it's just that we obviously prefered Brady having time to throw.

Again, with as much help as he gave us blocking, I would consider him a TE/OL hybrid.

PatsWickedPissah

"6a Jeremy Mincey -1- didnt do much last year. might emerge this year"

We're giving points to guys we CUT and value for emerging this year as a member of another NFL team???

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robertweathers

My beef with him is that he did have stone hands sometimes and seemed to miss more than his share of games.

As far as being a teammate, a champion and the best damn blocking TE in the business, he was worthy of the pick. Thats why I had him with a 5.

6 makes sense too. For a 7, he would have needed to be more productive in the passing game ala Watson.

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Box_O_Rocks

I believe Klemm was signed as a Free Agent by GB.

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robertweathers

I messed up. I was thinking of Pierre Woods who was a undrafted FA in 2006. My bad.

Mincey should have been a 0

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robertweathers

Yep. Ironically enough, Klemm was just signed by the Raiders today.

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2007 (Projected)- What the hell. The whole thing is subjective anyway. I did go to one practice...
1 Brandon Meriweather - 5- This kid will make an impact and justify the pick. No question.
2 Wes Welker - 8
3 Randy Moss - 8
4 Kareem Brown -3 Should make the team as a backup.
5 Clint Oldenburg -1- maybe a PQ
6a Justin Rogers - 1 -I'm up in the air on this guy. Good size. PQ
6b Mike Richardson -5- He makes this team. Something about him.Good value
6c Justise Hairston - 1-IR- should be an incomplete
6d Corey Hilliard -0 cut
7 Oscar Lua - 1- PQ until he learns the D
7 Mike Elgin - 0 cut.

Score: 32 - you have to count what they got out of the draft picks whatever way it comes, not just in terms of college players

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