Big Bucks

I don't get the over exorbinate man love this fella is getting from all you guys, I stopped posting a couple years back on this site, older board, but thought I'd join up and ask, why all this love for Stallworth.

Can all you Stallworth lovers out there please sell him to me, as I don't know where its coming from, I could understand it because he was a regular 1200yd guy but really are you all not going a tad overboard, maybe its me and its the same people over and over trying to brainwash the mases, and its not noticable because they all have patfan"insert #" as usernames.

So please I need someone to tell me why?! Why do you like him sooooo much.
Have I missed something here.

BTW nice to be back

dhamz

He simply brings a dimension the offense currently lacks. He has the type of speed and ability to make big plays down the field that we are missing from our WR corp. In 5 years he is averaging 15 yards per catch and has 71 catches over 20 yards, 11 of which were 40 plus.

By contrast, Gaffney has 27 20+ with just 1 40+ yard catch, Caldwell has 21 and 6, and Welker has 15 and 2.

That is Stallworth 71 20+, 11 40+. The other 3 WRs combined 63 and 9.

Fumblerooski

Nice post! That about sums it up.

sebman2112

I don't really think it is that everyone likes him so much, but that we like him. I liked Stallworth last year when the Saints were shopping him around, and BB did as well, but the Eagles offered more. Stallworth has had some durability problems, but no worse than Branch. Actually Branch has missed one more game than Stallworth.

I want Stallworth for these reasons:
1: I think he fits NE's offense well
2: He is a better route runner than people think (he is not just a speed receiver)
3: unlike some other sub 4.3 (he has run 4.30, and 4.29 40 times) receivers (B. Johnson) Stallworth actually puts his speed to use, by catching the ball.
4: Stallworth has a pretty good nose for the endzone with 28 TD's, which is something NE's receiving corp has been lacking.
5: Stallworth is a fast learner, and has proven he can come right in and perform.
6: Stallworth played two straight injury free seasons, so I think his durability problems are a bit overblown.
7: In fewer starts than deion Branch Stallworth has more yards, and better yard per catch average, and ten more TD's.

Big Bucks

OK, you have all talked about him in comparison to the other WR's that were on our team, yet you do not compare to others in the NFL, where does he rate amongst the top 20 or 30 WR's in the league.

Now I can understand everyone being mental over Adalius Thomas because IMO he is a bluechipper LB, why should that same reaction be for Stallworth, you see I think he is an average receiver, one that will come in, like Caldwell and Gaffney to a certain extent and do his job well but not spectacular. I see him as along the lines of Morris, Brady and Welker, all good additions to a quality roster. Stallworth is an average WR, is he not just the #1 free agent WR in a borderline average group of guys.

Is he a true #1 WR, or should I say CAN he be a true #1 WR.

I have my doubts.

Dagg

To short IMO we really need a tall reciever around the end zone I would much rather see Moss. I mean whats welker 5'8"?

sebman2112

I'm not going crazy over him like he is Thomas, and I don't think he is a top ten WR, or anything. I just think he fits our offense well, and could be one of the best WR's Brady has had. I also think he would be able to put up over 1,000 yards with Brady throwing to him, and he has been close to 1,00 in the past, so I wouldn't put him in the same group as Caldwell. Again, he has 28 TD's in four years, so he has a better nose for the endzone than any of NE's current WR's. Basically I want the guy, but I wouldn't give up a 1st rounder for him (If he wasn't a UFA)

sebman2112

Tall receivers (6'4-6'5) don't fit into NE's system well. BB, and Pioli have tried to find a tall WR that fits and they hve failed about five times.

Dagg

Understood but we still need a tall one around the end zone IMO we got Reche Troy and Wes on the short end. Gaffney is of decent size and Brady obviously used him in that capacity around the goal line in the play offs. Moss is taller and a better leaper.

MoLewisrocks

Do we need a true #1 or do we just need another #2 with Stallworth-like characteristics that make him a borderline #1 on this roster and in this scheme?

I think there are lots of players most of us would prefer to Stallworth - only he's available and they aren't. Do people here get too wound up about him? Absolutely, but I think that is just seeing a better roster with a player like him than without him heading to the draft where we have two first rounders which could then clearly be better spent on defense. Right now we are better equipped on offense than we were last season without Branch or Givens but with Caldwell and Gaffney having a year in the system under their belts and Welker projecting as a younger Troy Brown. But who knows if they'll all be healthy or if last year was not in fact their ceiling. And we don't yet know if Troy will be back, or if a player or two like Patton might free up closer to camp. And while they might further bolster the depth on the roster, they don't do what Stallworth does. We could certainly use a player who does.

I don't want him at any price. I don't even want him for 6 years at $32M unless there are a lot of performance incentives in the deal and protection clauses in the event of a substance abuse suspension, so it is constructed as one of those 6 year deals that could morph into a 1 year deal with little dead cap if he doesn't pan out. Had he meant what he said about playing for us in a one year deal to prove his value, or had Rosenhaus been willing to let him follow through on that, then I would really want him. At this point I'm really ambivalent.